Copeland Talks About Signing With The Pacers

Chris Copeland spoke to Alan Hahn on ESPN New York Radio 98.7 on Saturday about leaving the Knicks for the Pacers. According to Ian Begley, “the plan from the start” was to take less money to stay in New York.

Photo credit: Jim McIsaac

Photo credit: Jim McIsaac

The Knicks never made him an official offer as they waited to see what the market was going to be for him as a restricted free agent.

Copeland signed a two year offer sheet worth 6.1 million dollars last night with the Pacers according to his agent John Spencer.

The Knicks after leaving themselves only 1.7 million to spend on Copeland after re-signing Pablo Prigioni will not be able to match it.

Copeland was the NBA Rookie of the Month in April and when the season began was the final player to make the roster. When given a chance to play he showed glimpses of being a solid rotation player, even starting a few games towards the end of the season.

His struggles were on defense and at times found himself stapled to the bench for long stretches of the season by Mike Woodson.

Copeland, 29, averaged 8.7 points and 2.1 rebounds last season and was a key part of the Knicks Game 5 win over the Pacers in a series they eventually lost in six games.

Matthew Falkenbury

I don’t like this situation for two reasons.

1. He signed with the Pacers. The team that knocked us out saw more of his potential than the Knicks did apparently.

2. He was a good story that with some work could be better on defense and be a much cheaper option than Andrea Bargnani.

I’m happy that Copeland, who has battled his whole career to get this chance to make some serious money, has finally solidified himself in the NBA.

I’m sure he will be able to help the Pacers off the bench considering for the most part, their bench last season was ok at best.

For the Knicks, they once again let their top restricted free agent see what was out there and got burned when they cant match the deal he gets and agrees to.

Pablo Prigioni needed to be re-signed because he brings a toughness on both ends of the floor and the point guards spots were thin. Him taking up part of the mini mid-level exception was going to happen.

The Knicks now will have to move on and see what they can with the rest of the exception and veteran’s minimum to finll out the roster.

As much as I dislike the fact he left, like Tommy has said in the past, he is very much a replaceable part of the team.




81 comments
cournoyer
cournoyer

Bout' right.  Love all these Crosby haters. Anyone with the smallest inkling would pick Crosby to build around

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

so again - hockeybuzz = not the most reliable source, but they have the isles linked to the hawks for nick leddy still (dont forget theres a few teams that have to make moves still to get under the cap...)


Leddy would be a nice addition to this blue line.  not sure what trade would work for them to get under the cap though.  hopefully this is where snow comes out to look like a real GM and forces their hand since the hawks are the desperate ones. 

erika
erika

All these analogies are BS. I agree that JT is one of the better players in the NHL, but it will mean nothing unless he wins a cup in the not so far future. To do that, we need to surround him with good talent, because no matter how great a player is...he does not win by himself.

bammer26
bammer26

John Tavares is NOT a 200x85 player. Although his skating has improved, it it still under par by today's NHL standards.. He has good hands and a descent pass. He will need some serious help on that first line (consistent) along with other cogs to get this roster to where it will compete.

hoverlow
hoverlow

So Crosby is three pts better than the #2-8 players on the list.  Do you realize that the #2-8 players are only 3 pts higher than the #50 player.  Hell JT is only 2 pts higher than #50. This is an absurd list and I know it is just a game, but come on I am just sick of how this league treats Crosby.  If I was an owner the only reason I would take Crosby right now over Stamkos is because you would make more money with Crosby on the team.  Crosby is fragile and has always had an amazing group of players around him.  The league is reaching so hard for a new Gretzky.

Michael Isserlis
Michael Isserlis

Wow top 50? So exciting. I think I'll run out and buy the game now. and season tickets.

Logan Monstuart
Logan Monstuart

Big fan of Johnny's, but four and a half stars? His skating? And physical? (And defense?) Uh, no. Though has made great strides in his skating.

mrcisback
mrcisback

 This is probably the worst sports rated list i've seen in almost 50 years of watching professional sports. John Tavares should be #5, no ifs ands or buts about it or at worst case scenario 5 to 10. #17 give me a break. The disrespect towards the Islander organization and Islander players is just rediculous. Eric Karlsson #35 and Patrick Kane #34 you gotta be kidding me. I wouldn't even put Alex in the top ten anymore because he's just absolutely horrible defensively. 

puckznpadz
puckznpadz

Okay... since we are in the dead days of August.  Who are your top 12 current isles forwards...list them as untouchable, high cost, middle of the road and expandable.


Since a trade is definitely at the end of the road interested to see what the faithful is willing to part with.  

willymayshays
willymayshays

@cournoyer

I think everyone knows how talented Crosby is.  What I hate is how dirty the Pens play and how they DO get treated differently.  

mrcisback
mrcisback

@slapshot18_rs I read that the other day snapshot that Nick Leddy might be available. That would be a major pick up for the Islanders if they could acquire him.

jepliberty
jepliberty

@erika 

He is surrounded with great talent, what's the matter with Bailey? lol

erika
erika

it only takes a minute girl, to fall in love....(and score a goal)!


Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@bammer26 Sometimes skating's overrated.  Michael Grabner and Jason Blake could skate circles around Wayne Gretzky and John Tavares, which ones would you rather have?

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@bammer26 decent passing?! the rest i can agree with to an extent, but his passing is more than just "decent"

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@mrcisback whats worse is datsyuk is #6 on the list.  a healthy datsyuk is one of the best players in the world, but he hasnt been that person in a few years now

isles23
isles23

Untouchable; Tavares, Okposo, Strome, Nelson

High cost; Nielson, Lee, Grabner, Clutterbuck

Middle of the road; Bailey, Martin, Cizikas

Expendable; Boulton, although he has a role and does it very well, Cmac

I didn't include Grabo or kuelimen because they won't be traded and I want to see them play on the team before I decide were they rank on this team.

Vicp73
Vicp73

@rmdeparts Really your going to critique the Rags for Brassard , but praise Snow for the Grabovski deal? 5 million per season for a  30 year old who scored 13 goals? C'mon rm let's talk about the Grabo deal.  Let's talk Kulemin 9 goals getting 4 million per season. Is that what you call managing the Cap? Before you call out other teams bad deals look in house first. 

bammer26
bammer26

@Macacawitz- Mac, I'm usually on board with most of your posts, thoughts, and ideas, BUT on skating being overrated??


Skating is the #1 intangible as you grow into whatever level of pucks one gets into. That is the FIRST thing that is taught, how to skate. The game comes second.


One example that comes to mind in Tie Domi. A very good skater for a fourth line tough guy and had great balance.


On the Grabs, Blake, Gretzky, I also disagree. Grabs and Blakie had more SPEED on a straight line, but 99 had great lateral movement and was not slow by any means. Throwing Tavares into that mix, any one of your mentioned could and would skate circles around John's game. It's not and never has been his strong point going back to juniors.


Bad comparison on #99's skating, IMO.

isles23
isles23

These games go by history for a long time before they knock someone down. DP was still in the mid 80s for his rating up until the end. IMO JT is rated about right.

Vicp73
Vicp73

@isles23 Guy's i think the only untouchable on this team should be JT. Anyone else for the right price should be made available.  Let's say things didn't work out with Subban in Montreal, and the asking price is Okposo  ? You guys wouldn't make that deal?

mrcisback
mrcisback

@isles23 Isles i agree with your list completely. Now what about defenseman.

puckznpadz
puckznpadz

@isles23 Good points Isles...Does Conacher fall in with Grabo and Kuliemen?  I also noticed that there was no mention of this years first round picks.  Which i agree with.  I think they are both a minimum yr away.


People will call me crazy but i dont see Strome as untouchable yet.  he shows flashes of brilliance but needs to show more this year before i make him untouchable.


bammer26
bammer26

@Vicp73- Afternoon Vic. Good points, but I will say this on the Rags. GM Sather has grossly overpaid for has been talent for years now, Gomez, Redden, ect. Closer to home, agreed the Kumelin deal looks bad on paper as his best season was 2010 for the Leafs with 57 points. Last year he finished with 24 points in 70 games...! Worse numbers than our beloved #12 and is making MORE...


Snow has wrapped up over 12 millions this year alone in Grabo, Kumo, and Bailey...if this train derails in another November, weeeeuuhhh, guess we have to look up to Halak in net and the Hickey-Viz D duo to clear the crease.


Reality is though, that the current roster is a long jam, both forwards and defense. What Snow has planned is the magical question..

jepliberty
jepliberty

@bammer26 @Macacawitz 

Wasn't there some female skater helping him to add speed to his skating in his earlier career with the Isles?

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@jepliberty wow, thought you were better than this jep. EVERYONE misses passes...its the passes they capitalize on that make him so special...he has eyes behind his head, and puts it right on the tape more than not. 

if you dont think he is a great passer, i can name a few people who would disagree with you.  there names are matt moulson, pa paranteau, thomas vanek, kyle okposo.  
you do not get 50+ assists for being an average passer. 
smh

puckznpadz
puckznpadz

@rmdeparts  You don't see Lee taking Bailey's spot? I think Lee has earn a good look to remain with the big club.

jepliberty
jepliberty

@rmdeparts 

Oh, you are saying then to keep Carkner, OK because you cannot unload both Boulton, and Carkner, no way, no how. who will be there to dissude opposing players from running Strome or JT.

Brian Bradley
Brian Bradley

Fair enough but to that point, what if Crosby is available and the conversation starts with jt? Not a deal that I would make, but speaking rationally, no one is untouchable.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Vicp73 @isles23 Vic it would start with Okposo and end with Griffen Reinhart with something else in the middle. I got news for you even Tavares could be traded if someone blows the Islanders out of the water with an offer.

isles23
isles23

MrC, the D is a much different story because the most talented guys aren't on the team yet and to make this I think I have to include some of said players.

Untouchable; Reinhardt. DeHann, Hamonic(mainly because Hammers contract has the potential to be a major steal in a couple years)

High cost; Pulock, Pokka, Hickey (even though I like Hickey more than most I do hesitate putting him in that spot but what the hay)

Middle of the road; Viz, Strait, Czurzman(the last two could easily be put in my expendable category, although im willing to give czurzman more time)

Expendable; Carkner

As with the forwards I didn't include TJ because he hasn't even played a game for us. I do like his potential though.

elephant
elephant

I think its really a great sign that this year's draft picks are not a part of the starting lineup conversation. It's not like the days of Josh Bailey anymore. Now we have such good depth on offense that a # 5 pick (and a #30 who had the skill to go top 5) can easily be kept in the system. Definitely a good thing...

isles23
isles23

Pucks, actually forgot about conacher but he would def fall in under the expendable category.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@puckznpadz 20 years old though showing flashes of brilliance.  he has to be untoucable right now unless we were blown away with a top dman or something

jepliberty
jepliberty

@bammer26 

Hello bammer, trying to catch lighting in a bottle is a risky move, as snow seems to be trying, and sather is also , but looking at the ugh Rangers success, as limited as it may have been, for a couple of years is much more desirable then what snow has accomplished. I hope he has gotten it right for the next season, however I remain skeptical of his 'expertise' as a GM.

Vicp73
Vicp73

@bammer26 afternoon ej, I agree %100 Sather has made some mind boggling contract decision, most gm's have at one point. But  to sit back and listen to many on here praising Snow for the few team friendly deals he's made and forget about the Dipietro contract is just silly. And yes Bailey, Grabo and Kuli deals also have the potential to be disasters. Let's be honest  i have more faith in a Glen Sather any day over Snow 

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@puckznpadz its going to be very hard for any team to put 3.3 million on the bench for a prospect at the beginning of the year.  they are at least going to start with giving bailey a shot this year before they replace him. 

isles23
isles23

I think we have to put a little perspective here. Of course nobody is untouchable but when you say that its a term meaning it would take a no brainer deal that nobody could argue with in order to trade. In all of sports there are only a few true untouchables, best example being Jeter.

jepliberty
jepliberty

@mrcisback 

mrc I agree, but I'm curious what you would consider a deal being 'blown out of the water, to trade JT.

Vicp73
Vicp73

@mrcisback @Vicp73 @isles23 I agree Mrc but my point is if there's a deal out there that can make your team better you make it, whether it's Strome, Nelson or Halak nobody on this roster other than Jt should be untouchable 

puckznpadz
puckznpadz

@isles23  I would have to agree with your initial assessment.  I would however definitely moved Strait and VIZ to expandable.  Reason being is both at injury prone and I am not quite sure if Viz will make it back this year.  I think it is time to move on from these two.

bammer26
bammer26

@Vicp73- Yep, well see in about a month or so how this is going to start to play out. Potential disasters seems to be Snow's middle name. But hey, we got Halak. Hope he thinks it's still Ken Hitchcock behind the bench..

jepliberty
jepliberty

@isles23 

Ha, If Jeter was traded a couple of years ago, while still in his prime, there would have been a riot at the Stadium, and Steinbrenner's car would have been pelted with eggs, and rocks.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Vicp73 Vic i'll give you a scenario where Tavares could be traded. Say Colorado offers the Islanders a choice of 2 of the following 3 players,Matt Duchene,Gabriel Landeskog or Nathan MacKinnen plus Collorado's best prospect in their organization. I would do that trade.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@puckznpadz @isles23 only problem is that is the only position that isn't deep at this point, so the experience of vis and the price of straights contract could prove to be pretty valuable to us this year.  vis is obviously not the player he once was but a "healthy" vis right now is better than making him expendable and replacing him with no one.  strait is only making 750k so as an extra depth guy, hes  not terrible to have on the roster. 


hopefully one day we will have all the prospects flourish and we wont have to worry about holding onto players like them, but right now i think they have some value to the isles. 

Vicp73
Vicp73

@bammer26 @Vicp73 Hey i'm a fan of Halak, i just hope our gm doesn't leave him out to dry. Look at last season's final 4 and what they all had in common, solid defence. Lot's of work to still be done here

Tony Scotto
Tony Scotto

Dude come off what ever you are on there is no way the isles will trade tavares at all hes better than all 3 of those guys plus a prospect?? A pick could be a bust and you give them 1of of the top 3/4 centers in the game today and a guy that wants to play play here?? Never will happen .

Vicp73
Vicp73

@mrcisback yeah i would have to agree with you there. What if Montreal offered Subban for KO  Strome and Pulock? Would you make that deal?

bammer26
bammer26

@Vicp73- I am also a fan of Halak Vic, very good netminder. So far, he's on the Viz/Hickey highway, and Cappy directing traffic. Not exactly a recipe for success, and he has had the pleasure of working under two very good defensive systems in his career, the last with Hitch in Bluuuuues land.


The Bruins, Kings and Hawks have had a solid blueprint in place now for a few years now, paying dividend. Solid GM's, solid goaltending, and Solid D. The Hawks with Towes, Kane, Sharp, and Hossa have the most offensive firepower out of those three, but you saw what happened this past playoff.


At least papa Wang has Yashin's buyout off the books soon...LOL

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Tony Scotto Tony the trade that we were talking about included the choice of 2 of Matt Dushsane 71 GP 23 goals 47 assists,Gabriel Landeskog 65 GP 26 goals 39 assists or sensational rookie Nathan MacKinnen 82 GP 24 goals 39 assists plus Colorado's  best prospect in there organization for John Tavares. Of course JT is better then all 3 players mentioned but if your getting back your choice of 2 of those players and Colorado'stop prospect makes the deal very fair. Were just having fun here. Remember the greatest player in hockey in his prime was traded.

bammer26
bammer26

@Vicp73 - In a heart beat..


Anyone who watches pucks can see that PK is a game changer, his skating and shot alone are two intangibles that make him what he is in today's NHL.

Vicp73
Vicp73

@bammer26 @Vicp73 Yes and now apparently papa Wang has a $10 million lawsuit on his hands for backing out of a deal with Barroway. Why am i not surprised 

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@bammer26 anyone that watches pucks also knows that while PK subban is an elite talent and is most certainly a game changer, he plays the game like a forward.  he's all over the place on the ice, which is why he is as good as he is at offense...but becuase of that hes also out of position A LOT...so to me that trade is not a "in a heartbeat" type of deal - and actually, i think its a better deal for MTL if those players turn into the NHL players theyre expected to.  


KO, strome, and pulock for PK subban? talk about taking one step forward, two steps back 

mrcisback
mrcisback

@bammer26 Bammer i really like PK but the guy did only score 10 goals in 82 games last year. Its not like he's Denis Potvin. By trading away Okposo we would now be missing 2/3 of a 1st line. Change Okposo to Frans and then i would be in favor of that trade.

Vicp73
Vicp73

@mrcisback @Vicp73 i wouldn't either but man how nice would Subban look on the Isles PP, Let's hope one of the young kids could be a pleasant surprise on our back end this season

bammer26
bammer26

@Vicp73 - Yes, I heard thru the grapevine that is your home earlier. No surprise there Vic...


From the Daily News: 


However, Wang "without notice, abruptly refused to proceed to close the transaction and honor the terms of their 70-page purchase agreement but instead "improperly sought to renegotiate the already agreed upon price" in March.

In midsummer, according to court papers, Wang demanded $548 million for the team. When Barroway refused, Wang notified him on Aug. 1 that he had sold the team to other bidders.

Vicp73
Vicp73

@bammer26 just goes to show what kind of Character we're dealing with