Final: Bulls 109 Knicks 90

The Knicks fell to the Bulls, 109-90, their sixth consecutive loss.

The Least You Should Know

All you need to know about this game is how the first 4 minutes went. At the 7:49 mark in the 1st quarter, Joakim Noah hit a shot and made it 16 to 1 Bulls. The Knicks never recovered from that start.

The Knicks surrendered their second consecutive triple-double. After Stephen Curry burned them a few nights ago, Noah was the dominant force in this game. He finished with 13 points, 12 rebounds and 14 assists. D. J. Augustin was also fantastic with 23 points off the bench.

Amare Stoudemire gave the Knicks a nice spark off the bench in the 2nd quarter, scoring 14 points on 7 for 8 shooting and adding 6 rebounds. Unfortunately, he got into quick foul trouble and fouled out halfway through the 4th.

Carmelo Anthony scored just 21 points, his fewest since February 9th against the Thunder. J.R. Smith, Tim Hardaway Jr. and the aforementioned Stoudemire were the only other Knicks in double figures (Bulls had 7). Tyson Chandler had 22 rebounds. It was his 2nd 20+ rebounding game this season.

Hardaway Jr.’s 14 points came on 5 for 13 from the field.

The Bulls committed just 3 turnovers in the entire game. The Knicks had 12.

The Knicks continue their road trip tomorrow when they take on the Detroit Pistons at 7:30pm.




242 comments
Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Funny on the side of this site, there's an SNY video from 2/27 with Felton saying Knicks focused..lmao

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

 Gotta say, I'm super excited abotu tonight's game.

hosket
hosket

...what might happen as unintended consequence......whatever high profile coach is in the mix...and it will  be high profile, that high profile guy will have an ego and business sense that will tell him not to make the move unless he has autonomy...complete/full and build his own staff of scouts,capologists, assistant GM......

Dolan will be in a corner...and he will have to agree and maybe then and only then Dolan will be able to go on his 5 year world wide music tour.....

Until the in-house mess is cleaned up......don't see how anything can happen........


BTW....as a bone ...very small one for the fans....why couldn't they sign Fredette?   Woodson needed guys to guard the perimeter....

oops,promised self I'd stick to one topic but soooooo many. ugh.

KnicksMaybeThisYear
KnicksMaybeThisYear

If Melo leaves, where does it leave the Knicks cap space for 2104?


Sign and trade options?

Sandro
Sandro

Plan A

2014:
- Trade Melo for 2 young quality guys and a 2014 draft pick.
- Trade Chandler for Wizards' 2014 draft pick, owned by the Suns.
- Trade Shumpert for Oklahoma's 2014 draft pick.
- Combine Wizards and Oklahoma's picks to move up a couple of slots in the draft.
- Combine the pick from Melo's trade with this last one, to move yet higher into the lottery.
- Miss the playoffs.
- Draft a top prospect.

2015:
- Develop the two young prospects from the Melo trade.
- Develop the top prospect from the 2014 draft.
- Develop Tyler, Murry and Timmy.
- Tank and miss the playoffs.
- Let Amare and Bargnani's contract run out.
- Draft a top prospect.
- Sign Star(s) via free agency with cap space available.

2016:
- Compete with a lineup of:
      PG - Rondo
      SG - Timmy
      SF - 2014 pick \ youngster from Melo trade
      PF - Love
        C - 2015 Pick \ youngster from Melo trade.
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Plan B:

2014:
- Do none of the above.
- Lose Melo for nothing.
- Draft no one with our non-existent draft pick.
- Sign no one with our non-existent cap space.



The Knicks.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Buck50  Pringles wanted Gasol traded as well. See how well he's doing in La La Land right now.

You're comparing 2 mediocre coaches and a once in lifetime occurance in sports with a player that ultimately proved to be a very good, albeit overpaid, backup PG.


We're so desperate with out PG situation that about 60 names out there will be overhyped and desired more than what we have now.


Lin ultimately was exposed because he couldn't execute an offense in the halfcourt (given that he's a shoot first, defense last, high usage guard). There's a reason he doesn't play 4th qtrs in tight games....I mean, Aaron Brooks is given minutes over him. That says it all right there.


No disrespect friend, but you're really pushing the boundaries of reality. If you actually believe Lin and Pringles along with Novak amd Chandler with no Melo is the answer.... WOW

Kori Scott
Kori Scott

Sure Jeremy Lin is a shut down defender. Team is the worst defensive team in the league, offense is not the reason for this mess...

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@kneggyknik  Not to defend or justify Melo, because in particular his D has taken quite the decline, but he's gotta be the hardest working Knick out there. He may not be a vocal leader, but right now he's the only one that looks like he's semi trying, because everyone else has given up.


Tyson Chanlder is a disgrace. I've lost all respect for him. He's a shadow of what he used to be.


xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Seth Nadler LOL That's like our knicks when they used to send on N8 to apologize at the start of the season and tell the fans we really are going to play hard now.........Then we would go out and play no defense!

chudogz1
chudogz1

Fredette CANNOT as well as u think, but we definitely needed a shooter....

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@hosket  

Jimmer is playing for his next contract. Woody wouldn't have used him anymore than he uses Shannon Brown. He could have very well been looking for a team that could use a shooter and make the playoffs to boost his value. The Knicks were not his best option.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@ Sandro. I think the best we can do is call PHOENIX about a trade centered around Chandler and Bledsoe.... Felton just signed a 3 yr deal with the Dept. Of Corrections!!! We get the pick u speak of from them and they would have to include someone to make the $$ work.... He's cheaper than Rondo and probably gonna be available after this performance by Dragic

tdzo
tdzo

@Sandro You are correct with your post Sandro.

Just like Jeff Van Gundy said yesterday about building around Melo, Tyson, THJR and Jeremy. There are ways to fix the Knicks.

BUT...........

With Dolan, Mills, and whoever else is running this circus, it won't happen.

So Plan B it is.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Sandro  get rid of this horrid coach. give bball ops over to someone with bball knowledge. keep melo. get him some help. we win. 

IT'S NOT COMPLICATED! SAVE THE BOOK SANDRO.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Sandro  

If Melo opts out, he can't be traded. 

There is no indication that Phoenix wants Chandler, let alone use their cap space on his bloated contract.

Rumors are that OKC wants Shump. You might ask why a smart GM like Presti wants him and consider that.


xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Sandro I would entertain PLAN A except for trading Shump.  I would need to know first if Shump can rebound by having a much better coach.   If so, his value would go up and even if we decided to trade him, we would get more back.

Sandro
Sandro

@VerySilentJay @Buck50

I don't believe Lin was the answer, but he should've been re-signed. Even if it was only to trade him later.

Bucks50 has a point though. Without Melo, the ball was moving like never before, and we were actually hustling and winning some games.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@VerySilentJay @kneggyknikTrue Chandler is done here or with Woody.  Melo is auditioning for a team that needs scoring and rebounding. 

That's Melo Marketing blurb.  Will provide scoring and rebounding {in small print}  Leadership and Rings not included



VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@xmenreturn @VerySilentJay  No drinking today (until tonight that is).

I've decided to use italic every time I wanna lay the sarcasm thick. It'll be my "sarcasm font".


What can I say, the Knicks bring the out best in me.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@carl hill @hosketThe Bulls already luv this dude because that's the perfect place for him. They have leader on the sidelines and on the floor.

The Bulls could use offense and Jimmer can shoot the rock.  It's not like the Bulls hasn't had white dudes who were lethal shooting the rock. lol   (Paxton, Kerr.....................

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Knicks_Fanatic @hosketYEP, Jimmer coming here would have been as disappointing as it was MWP who thought he could come home play for this coach. 

Sandro
Sandro

@Knicks_Fanatic @Sandro

This plan was presented by me before the trade deadline. It is obviously impossible now.

On to to Plan B. What a joy it will be.

Sandro
Sandro

@xmenreturn @Sandro

I believe Shumpert can become a good role player, but nothing more than that. If by trading him, I can get a draft pick so I can move up in the draft and get a top prospect, I do it.

NY Fans \ Media will kill Shumpert at every single bad game he has as a Knick.
I believe his days as a Knick have expired already.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Sandro @VerySilentJay@Buck50 

If you look up the Linsanity period, we won because of defense. We held teams to 90 points or less for most of those games. We had Shump, Chandler, and Jeffries along with Fields, playing solid defense. Yes, Lin did lead the offense, but we didn't outscore folks, we got stops. In the Laker game, Kobe was held in check for the entire first half. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Sandro Not for that contract dude. Bizness wise Master Lin was a goldmine but b-ball wise as for a winning, we made the right move.  

It's like a nice to have fun with ugly girl asking you to marry her,  you say no and then go out and marry a girl who steals all your money. 

It's not that you should have married the ugly girl, it's that you just f##ked in your next decision.  Don't get it twisted.  You always have to make decisions, live by them and not make excuses for the bad ones you make. 


VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Sandro @VerySilentJay @Buck50  Yes, but like I said, it was a stretch in sports that was magical, those stretches that are great but don't last forever. And the moment Pringles bounced and Lin was asked to actually run an offense, he was exposed.


You speak of an offense that functions entirely around Lin. Why do you tihnk the Rockets went out there and actually got difference makers. And again, why do you think he was pushed to the bench? No D, at all (which suits him perfectly with out awesome defensive backcourt).


That's not a winning recipe by any stretch of the imagination, especially in the postseason (which apparently Lin is scared of).


Trading Melo and keeping Lin? Imo, this is absurd.

We saw even better ball movement last season, with Felton and Melo and no Lin (who I believe is termendously overpaid). And Melo carried this team throughout the entire season. If people think Lin can do this while efficiently running an offense, they are sadly mistaken imo.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Knicks_Fanatic @xmenreturn I agree with most of that.  

When your team lacks leadership in coaching, there needs to be that on the floor. It does not have to be rah rah, it can be just having a player that make good decisions on the court or is a play maker that others respect.

All this talk I speak about Melo and other players should be taken relatively.  Melo is  probably a good guy that helps others off the court.  

Yet we need someone that can look at the situation and help bring about what is needed or missing.  It's not all about Melo scoring. It's about getting his teams to win.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic @xmenreturn  Apparently, since Melo isn't superman, he's just not good enough.

All his flaws aside, imo, he's our best shot moving forward. Not only to construct a new roster around him, but to attract other players to NY.

If Melo isn't around, what motivation will other players have to come here?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@xmenreturn  

Melo is who he is. He does what he does. He is not the vocal type, intense player like Kobe or Jordan. It's not in his personality. Melo is mellow. He is a bright, introspective, thoughtful man. All the young players talk about how Melo talks to them and helps them with their games. 

There are vocal, rah-rah leader types out there.You don't need to have Melo as a do it all type player. Paul George isn't a leadership type guy. David West has that role. You have to build a team, not expect one player to become Superman.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@VerySilentJay @xmenreturnLOL  I don't recall that tweet! 

But if the Knicks needed 3 games to decide Woody future, those 3 games should have come during the playoffs and not this year......because it was already too late.  

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@xmenreturn @VerySilentJay  LOOL. Us who know you know your style (which is hilarious).

I'm not one to constantly use sarcasm, so I gotta make it count.


Do you remember that tweet that came out about a week ago saying that "the next 3 games could determine Woodson's future"?


Who put that tweet out?

chudogz1
chudogz1

@ xmenreturn. U had a nice dream last night ;)

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@VerySilentJay @xmenreturnLMAO! If I did that, I would be writing in italics 50% of the time!

I just pray Dolan fianlly gets mad and decide to surround himself with proven winners.  That may mean he has to leave the room though. lol

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Sandro @Knicks_Fanatic 

My Plan A

1) Hire a GM

2) Have the GM hire a coach

3) Resign or sign and trade Melo

4) Depending on Melo's decision, plan for the future.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@VerySilentJay I hear ya man! But sometimes potential just stays that potential. 

(ie. Eddie Curry, Jerome James, AB and etc.  )

Yet I still think Shump has a special talent that is not easily to this NBA. 

I'm sure doc thinks he can tap into that and bring it our.   After all, he did that with Avery Bradey.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@xmenreturn @VerySilentJay @Sandro  Good FO's and coaches know potential when they see.

Hell, even we do.

There's a reason Doc was interested and OKC was in the mix as well.

If you put together a package including Shump, Felton, Chandler + picks for a top player, you do it.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@xmenreturn @Sandroboth of you make good cases to keep him or trade him. I do believe under a good HC with a good development staff his value could rise again and he may net more in return. But that's my opinion.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@VerySilentJay @xmenreturn@Sandro 

I could subscribe to that but I doubt a team would do that unless they are sure that shump can be that player.....which would make me think I'm still giving away the unkown that could come back to bite me. 

But I surely get your pt and would be enticing to have that choice.  The key is getting back Top notch!

In Knicks world, that means AB! lol


VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@xmenreturn @VerySilentJay @Sandro  Lol, no doubt.

We've all seen how players take unexpected leaps under proper leadership.


That said, if sacrificing Shump before we see his potential means getting a top notch player back, I don't think twice.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@VerySilentJay @xmenreturn@Sandro 

That is true and that is why I would wait to see what Shump really is before I opted to trade him now.  

Maybe a good coach can help him regain that.  Also, confidence is about having a head coach that has confidence is you too. 

Pitino surely did that with Mark Jackson.  Slow footed Jackson thought he was on par with Magic. lol


VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@xmenreturn @Sandro  Swagger's about confidence, security. We've seen that Shump isn't mature or mentally tough, so it's easy for him to lose it. 

Add this to bad coaching, lack of mentorship and leadership, and you have good talent being thrown down the sh!tter.


It really is impossible to say where Shump will go as a player until we don't see him under different coaching.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Sandro @xmenreturnI hear ya!  I just would wait to see what Shump has and whether he can regain that swagger he came here with.

Once I knew that, then I would be in a better position on the next steps.  Imo, Shump has the potential to really be an exceptional defender and that is rare in the NBA now with all the rules favoring the offensive player.

Sandro
Sandro

@xmenreturn @Sandro

I couldn't get half of your post, 'cause Baseball ain't my thing at all.

I would like to see Shumpert develop as a Knick as well. But I don't believe it's possible.

Anyway, Shumpert is traded on my plan, as a step to get into 2014 lottery. After 3 years in the league and two knee surgeries, I wouldn't even blink at dealing him. Specially considering his production so far.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Sandro @xmenreturnI hear ya but Shump came here with major attitude and confident. That's the guy I want to get back playing for us.  

We need a guy like that in NY that is brash and can defend.  Pringles and Woody f##ked up this dude from focusing on his signature thing like the Yankees f##ked Chamberlin who was a scary 8th inning relief pitcher in front of Rivera. 

I must admit I was ecstatic when the Yanks mess that up.  They would have cut the game down to 6 or 7 innings. 

Meanwhile my Mets was already doing that to our demise. lol

chudogz1
chudogz1

@ Knicks_Fanatic. Not sticking up for him, but keep in mind he was coming off a big surgery coming into his 3rd year... I wouldn't judge too many peoples performances, with coach WoodRow at the helm.......(except Fatty because he has the ball most of the time, and SUCKED), which still falls on WoodRow for not benching him...

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@carl hill Pringles and Woodson are not coaching that know anything about defense or winning anything imo. 

Pringles is great for young players that can shoot the 3 and and have no curiosity about other aspects of the game.

Woody is great for players that like to drive and change lanes excessively. 



Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@carl hill  

I thought he did well as a rookie under D'Antoni, aside from when they put him on the point. He made the all-rookie team and got votes for the All-NBA defensive team. That's hardly a zero. 1-1 far is more reasonable.