Final: Pistons 96 Knicks 85

The Knicks fell to the Pistons, 96-85, their seventh consecutive loss.

The Least You Should Know

This was a very back and fourth game. The Knicks came out of the gate really strong, opening up a big lead in the 1st quarter. They began giving points back and by the time the 4th quarter rolled around, they found themselves down by 5. That lead would grow as the Knicks lost by 11.

J.R. Smith was 5 for 15 from the field but all five of his makes came late when the game was already out of hand. He finished with a very unimpressive 16.

Smith’s horrible night was compounded by Tim Hardaway Jr.’s 0 for 6, Raymond Felton’s 1 for 9 and Tyson Chandler missing 6 point blank shots. Chandler did contribute 18 rebounds.

Again Amare Stoudemire was great for the Knicks. He played with a ton of intensity on the offensive end, scoring 22 points on 9 for 11. He added 6 rebounds and energized the team with a few old school slams. Carmelo Anthony scored 28 points, leading the Knicks (11 for 21).

After coming out weak in the first half, the Pistons played more physically down the stretch. The were able to bump the Knicks around with their incredible size. Andre Drummond had an NBA high 26 rebounds and led the Pistons with 17 points.

The Knicks continue their road trip on Wednesday when they take on the Minnesota Timberwolves at 8:00pm.




198 comments
kidrobot
kidrobot

Just saw in a mock draft that the Denver Nuggets were slated to take Marcus Smart with our pick.  These are sad times for the Knicks.  Murphy's Law is certainly in full effect.  A draft choice that high with the expiring contracts we have at our disposal would have really helped speed up this horrible thing we have going on here.  Whether it's Marcus Smart, Tyler Ennis, the Croatian kid Saric or one of the other top 3 that could potentially slip (because someone always does) we could use that pick.  This is just another in a long line of horrible decisions and short-sighted front office moves that cripple us for years.  Imagine Marcus Smart and Tim Hardaway Jr as your backcourt for the next 5-6 years on the cheap with another $60M in expiring contracts- including Melo in or out.  UNREAL

kidrobot
kidrobot

I'm not saying I think it will happen, BUT if something miraculous *were to happen and Dolan relinquishes control to Phil Jackson and completely gives him the keys, I can see Shumpert thriving in his system.  Shumpert would slot right into the Brian Shaw/Ron Harper all in one combo guard role.  

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

i think some of you guys just like to see your words in print because nothing you write makes any sense at all. 

Chris
Chris

These post are almost amusing. Melo is not the problem with this team. James Dolan is and has been the problem since Daddy gave him the team. Go no further, he has made one egregious decision after another. Until he gets smoked out as the real problem and is forced to be an absentee owner, there will be no chip in Knicksland

onewhoknix
onewhoknix

Knicks vs Minnesota next game?

I see it now for next game: Knicks down by 35 with 2 minutes to go in the 4th and our starting lineup is still in. T'wolves 4th string center dribbles right down the lane uncontested and tomahawk jams on Tyson chandler and 1. Camera pans over to T'Wolves bench where you see Rubio and Love laughing hysterically covering their faces with towels.

lindro88
lindro88

Felton was right.  The gun charge hasn't been a distraction.  He has played exactly the same way after the incident as he did before.  

M&M; Consultants
M&M; Consultants

The biggest problem is the locker room Tyson Chandler has been a problem all year taking shoots at Melo and coaching not to mention Raymond Felton is beyond horrible. Tyson will be moved this summer. They played better with Martin and Andre. Melo wants to stay but time will tell

KnicksMaybeThisYear
KnicksMaybeThisYear

Best hope for the Knicks is to trade Melo to the bulls for picks and whatever else they can get.

I don't think Melo is going to come back for this for one more year.

Just buy out Felton, Prigs can't guard the quick guards in the league. Build Murray so he's ready by the 2015-2016

Get a real coach to build up THJR, Tyler, Murray and to reconstruct Shump

Hope you get some decent free agents in 2015 so you aim for being mediocre in the east

Hope you get a Spurs assistant gm or coach one day

KnicksMaybeThisYear
KnicksMaybeThisYear

Watching the hand last night noticed a few things:

As bad as Amare has been he gave it his all and produced

Ball movement was great for the first few minutes and Knicks were pulling away with the game

Pistons score a handful of points add the starters go the bench, Prigs gets burned by their guards over and over, lead gets cut quick

Melo comes back and almost immediately starts to go one on one and starts chucking threes

Tyson gets blocked a few times - his confidence is shot

Game over

Why bench Melo and Amare at the same time when they were both scoring so well?

Tyson should own up to his own horrible play. I'm sick of hearing his nonsense, Knicks have been horrible in the playoffs because he didn't show up the last two years, he's still living off of Dirk's glory, and he hasn't produced the defense he's been known for the last few years, how many times did you not finish last night you bum.

JR Smith - 0-10, I guess it wasn't all heart and now you can stop talking the rest of the season

Just start Murry for the rest of the season, Prigs can't guard anyone and neither can Felton. Just develop Murray, let him make his mistakes.

Where was the coaching staff to adjust to the Pistons runs???

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

At this point I expect melo to leave simply because I question whether he's the type of guy to lead a troubled team to the promised land. I don't think he has that gene, and that's okay.

During the year, the clips would have been the ideal trading partner for him. Potentially get Griffin and more importantly, get him to the west. Now, the ideal scenario would be Chicago for a sign and trade. Getting back a Gibson, butler, boozer, picks, or euro dude is not terrible. If we got back something like that with some of the young guys and a new coach, we should at least be around 6/7/8 next year. Then we can clear the decks for a FA run in 2015.

Golden state is intriguing as well.

Worst case scenario: Melo goes free and clear to Miami. We get absolutely nothing and would be staring down the barrell of another 10 year funeral.

Jean Marc
Jean Marc

The Knicks at this point should wake up and smell the beans. We are not going to make the playoffs.


We should concentrate on :

  • Showcasing Amare for a possible trade over the summer
  • Developing  the young guns - Tyler, Toure and THJR. Personally, I would play a dynamic line up of Prigs, THJR, Melo, Tyler and Amare. I would give 15-20 min a nite to Toure.
  • Seeing if a potential Bargs and Chandler trade would yield a 1st and 2nd rounder in the summer
  • Going  for  the best point guards on the Market in the '14 summer and concentrate in adding other pieces to try being competitive next year.
  • Swinging for the fences trying to make a bash in the summer of  '15  free agency market.

Would the Knicks brass do it? I doubt it ! 

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

Chsandler not sure if he wants to be part of rebuild. Guess what Tyson, us fans don't want you there for it either.

ponzies86
ponzies86

knixks have the worst back court in the league hands down!! shitt give me Milwoukee back court over this peace of tash

James Wheeler
James Wheeler

Officially done with this season, Felton shouldn't even be in da nba, da guy is flat out horrible. The only guys tht have been consistent all year is stat and melo, everyone else is moveable. Ppl can say watever they want but wen stat is healthy, he is one of da best pf in da game witout question

rico
rico

Leadership: Anybody remember last season when the Knicks hit a bad stretch and there were signs that THIS could happen? Little used mostly injured and ostracized Kurt Thomas was pressed into action starting at center vs the Jazz. Kurt's play at both ends and his leadership woke up the sleeping Knicks who then went onto finish the season strong. Thomas of course was injured that night but the point is that this year one inspired performance from a real leader could have changed the Knicks team demeanor and perhaps fortunes.

Many of us expected it from Chandler this season, but no. Kmart probably would have helped win some games and stop the bleeding only he can't stay on the court. sadly noone has been able to lead by example or compel the team to not except failure.

Some say it's Woody, but along with Woody it's as Phil Jax said, "a clumsy collection of ill fitting players"

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Any player that isnt traded will play extra hard for Phil Jack.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Theres only one way to salvage this franchise and commit to winning. Sign Phil Jack and let him be head of Bball ops. Melo will feel comfortable and Phil can probably get Rondo here b4 the season starts instead of waiting til the last minute.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Ray Felton has been signed to play with the Green Haven Green Hornets next year in the New York Penitentiary League. They have a pretty good record, but some say, it's because they only play home games.

Smile, it's not going to get any better around here anytime soon.

Olu K. Deen
Olu K. Deen

Game went south as soon as melo checked back in the 2nd quarter. Ball stopped moving. Stupid turnovers. Bad shots. These guys are so late on defense it's crazy.

Chandler can't jump any more. Case in point that alley melo through to him and he just layed it up. A 7 footer who is a vet with no post moves. Wow. It's funny cause he has a decent shot. But the offense never ever goes to him for a mid range shot.

ds2488
ds2488

Anybody who thinks this "coach" gets anything approaching acceptable out of this roster just doesn't know bball.  JR and Fatty Ray have destroyed the team this year yet this "coach" has nothing else to offer.  Can't even comprehend playing other guys.  


I've seen people all year hating on Toure and Beno- Those guys are 10x...no 100x better than Fatty Ray.  We had winning streaks with both of them.  Fatty Ray...not so much.  Can't play D.  Can't create for others.  Can't shoot.  At least Toure can play D.  And Beno at least understands the PG position.


And JR...what else is there really to say about this loser?  I said it last year when everyone talking about "Oh, he's the 6th man of the year...What a great contract!"  People on here need to understand the Contract Year phenomenon, especially in the context of a career loser.


Van Gundy is right.  Trash the roster.  I'd keep Shump over Tyson though.  Toure/Timmy/Shump/Melo/Tyler should stay.  The rest need to be gone yesterday.  


And the biggest problem is the "coach".  

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

one thing is for certain....our "rebuilding/re-tooling" starts this summer.

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

eric gordon at the 2 next year??? IS he worth it? He can provide the lack of offense we are suffering from now.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@kidrobot  i think you're right. shump has been beaten up on the regular by woody and he needs his confidence boosted. woody has no clue how to motivate his players. Phil really is a master at that.

onewhoknix
onewhoknix

@Chris He has the easiest job in the world. Inherited a fortune and just has to sit back and let the basketball people do basketball things while having the most profitable venue in all of basketball. But no...being a billionaire and just living life while your stacks continuously grow is just too easy. Marc Cuban is more involved with his basketball operations than Dolan is but the difference is that he actually knows about basketball.

darealeric
darealeric

Being an NBA CHAMPION gives you the right to do that. The rest are just a bunch of meaningless clowns.

buddhabing
buddhabing

I'd take Boozer (expiring contract) Butler & 2 number1picks for Melo then reload 2015

darealeric
darealeric

I think Melo WILL come back because he doesn't care about winning, he cares about money.

darealeric
darealeric

Missed you guys, where you been? Felt like I was the only one speaking truth to these idiots...

Sandro
Sandro

@Knixtradamus

The Knicks Top 5 draft pick goes to Denver.
The Knicks starting PG goes to jail.
The Knicks Superstar goes to Chicago.


It's going to be awesome.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

@rico thk you bro. I say this all the time but nobody wants to listen. They think im buggin lol. Its not just the fact they dont play well, they dont mesh well. And Melos leading in pts does not provide overall leadership to the team. Nobody yells at anybody for screwin up. They lack discipline

rico
rico

Um, A. Jax hates Dolan, and won't ever be a puppet.

B. Jax has never been a GM. Good coaches don't always make good execs, and visa versa.

C. Jax doesn't do reclamation projects.

D. Jax lives in Montana, is old and not in good health.

E. Jax ain't comin, keep dreamin.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

its all in Dolans hands...which is the only scary part

rico
rico

Reading about the oscar pistorius trial in south africa not hard to think, "good thing she turned in the gun". She could have ended up like the South African's GF, way to easily.

I thnk Raymond can use the help of a mental health professional. The dude has some issues.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

@Olu K. Deen thats what i always say G. The knicks had a horrible season bcuz nobody got better from last yr. superstars or dudes that get paid superstar money are supposed to get better yr after yr. Not the KNICKS. Melo needs to work on his handle, body weight n athleticism so he can play the 3 like hes supposed to. Tyson needs to work on everything

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Olu K. Deen  

Chandler played 40 minutes yesterday and 42 minutes tonight. We had 4 games in 5 nights, tired legs. He can still jump.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@ds2488. U nailed it....

knickstape
knickstape

@Mel Brown  No that would be a terrible acquisition….we don't need a SG we already have 3 capable (or semi capable) ones…….What this team needs is a PG and a true SF if the want to play Melo at PF

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@thatsagoodpoint @firebaldy  i'm being fair. i don't think there is a whole lot of logical thinking going on here. i'm jjust stating that some of the stuff said on here is totally devoid of common sense.

lindro88
lindro88

@darealeric  I wouldn't say he doesn't care about winning, but since there is really no guarantee that he will win anywhere he goes ( unless he takes whatever Miami can afford to pay him) than what is the point of passing up 130 million dollars.  He can go to a place like Chicago, and probably be a part of solid teams every season provided Thibs is the coach, but winning a championship takes a lot more than that.  Melo will  have opportunities later in his career to latch on to an elite team, likely as a still very productive scorer, but not as the central piece to the puzzle.  If he wants to win as an All star type player, it would mean forgoing a huge sum of money, putting his ego to the side and joining a team already good enough to win without him.  IMO that isn't going to happen.  

chudogz1
chudogz1

@ Rico... Pat Riley n Phil Jax are very very similar... They only coached stars! Riley has had success as a GM, Phil should too

rico
rico

Double-nope

rico
rico

Go do your own homeeork Gee. You remind me of a young Dolan.