Final Score: Clippers 109, Knicks 95

The Knicks and Clippers were tied at 50 at halftime, but New York was outscored by 14 points as they lost their third straight game 109-95.

Carmelo Anthony scored 26 points, but was only 4-for-23 from the field. He was 16-for-16 at the free throw line. He added 20 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2 steals.

JR Smith played 34 minutes off the bench and scored 24 points.

Tyson Chandler and Andrea Bargnani combined for 25 points and 20 rebounds. Raymond Felton had 9 assists, but only 5 points. Iman Shumpert was scoreless in 24 minutes.

For the Clippers, Blake Griffin had 32 points and 7 boards. DeAndre Jordan had 11 points and 16 rebounds. Former Knick Jamal Crawford came off the bench to score 29 points in 28 minutes.

72 comments
frankieboy
frankieboy

This was predictable. 


!. Amare was always going to be as good as his health. So fragile. Tyson also. 


Brass upstairs is getting close to having to make a very stern decision . Melo is probably going to seriously test Free Agency and see where he can win. He will get his money . Not sure where but Dolan and Mills is not a team that has any winning history 


Is it me or ever since JR got back we start losing again? 


We gotta beat NJ and start a winning streak. We lose more than 4 out of next 7 at home , time to blow this puppy up. 



chuco
chuco

Man Tyson always hurt,sick we should trade him while he still has value we were on a winning streak without him so its proven we can win without him 

Mike Jones
Mike Jones

with todays eastern confrence , we would of won 62 games last season instead of 54 , were on route for a 37 win season

rico
rico

Whatever happened to Tyson Chandler's 'tip out rebounds"? Or any rebounds? Flu or not, don't recall him having a dominant game this season.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

I think blowing this roster up needs to be strongly considered at this point... This is a deep draft, and we could probably get in it by dealing Chandler and/or Shumpert (I'm thinking mid-late first rounders here). ...and firing the coach is an absolute must. Woodson can't coach to the talent of this roster, and he can't develop young players if we decide to go in another direction.

Chris
Chris

To watch this charade that has reappeared is painful. The team plays as if they are playing in the park with no apparent theme. The contact thing must be changed. If their is colusion between CAA and Dolan this must be handled with by the league. (Assuming they are not in concert with it) . It is time to get anyone else but Woody to coach the team. The players have lost interest in watching him draw cartoons on his board, the fans are pasr upset with continual faith in his usage of players and his inability to have the faintest idea about how to teach and how to manage a game. The D 2 coach from Adelphi made him look like the bafoon he is on the bench. Dolan is in concert with CAA to make money, and has no real interest in the team other to make money. Mills is a yes man and will not ever challenge his authority. This is the worst condition I have witnessed in the over 60 years I have followed and rooted for this team 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

One of the problems we have with the new CBA is that being over the apron, $75 million in salary, prevents us from sign and trade deals. Under the old CBA we could have extended Lowry in a sign and trade deal, like we did with Melo. The CBA has several features that penalize teams that are free spenders.

bigdishing
bigdishing

I can't believe Shump is Landry Fields 2.0. It's sad. 

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

We Stink! Not much else to say! Woody needs to go immediately!

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

Did I really read on TKB a few days ago that "this roster was constructed with the precision of a Swiss watch"?  Can't forget that one, lol.

bigdishing
bigdishing

I am ready to trade for Lowry. Felton and Shump, that's fine. No Shump but a pick? That's fine too. 

frankieboy
frankieboy

Either blow it all up 


OR


Trade Tyson, Shump , Hardaway , JR


Anyone except Melo 


Or Trade Melo for best deal out  there. 

rico
rico

To think Woody was Melo's guy

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic The CBA was specifically deviced so that teams cannot have more than 2 big contracts.

You actually can extend a pending FA, the thing is, that player won't do it because the real money is in FA, as opposed to the old CBA.

rico
rico

Like most NBA players Shump seems to have unlimited potential. On the NBA tree of life he has shown flashes but as of now has only climbed up to being Pete Myers. The rest is up to him

dagawd
dagawd

Can't believe WOODSON is still in the nba

Francesco Monastra
Francesco Monastra

@bigdishing Bobby Brown may be the answer, playing very well in China, can sign him when his season is done in feb

rico
rico

No, Knicks have to STOP trading PICKS! Period

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

His defense was not good! His rim protection was at zero!

Chris
Chris

@VerySilentJay @Knicks_Fanatic This contact is designed so owners and make more profit, and use the contract as an excuse for the mediocraty of their team, case in point, Dolan and the Knicks

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@DolanitisDr@Knicks_Fanatic 

Under D'Antoni, for better or worse, we were able to develop young players. One of the odd criticisms he received was that he inflated his players offensive statistics. I always though that was the point of coaching.

Woody, and perhaps the men above him, have little interest in developing talent. They seem to gravitate to older veterans on the downside of their careers, for reasons unknown. Shump was looking good in his rookie year and has regressed. It appears that he doesn't have a defined role and they surely run no plays for him. Under Woody's ISO system, it is difficult for players that can't create their own shot.

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@Sandro Guedes Guy you lost a lot of credibility around here. Before you start taking shots you need to come clean. That story you came up with, while you disappeared during the Knicks winning streak was extremely pathetic. 

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Sandro Guedes 

Lmao...yes that was the one.  Nothing quite like Biggie's poetic pontifications (shoutout to Clyde) after Knick wins!

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@VerySilentJay @DolanitisDr 

Lol I'm positive I saw that phrase from a TKB commenter during that mini win-streak.  Too lazy to dig through the archives to confirm.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Correct. Can't trade picks, especially for a rental player in Lowry.

bigdishing
bigdishing

@rico I said that about the Bargnani trade. But our guard play is just not cool. 

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic @DolanitisDr 

Yes, I agree that the current Knicks team has been bad at both ends... but just because Woodson's current team is far worse than D'Antoni's Knicks, it doesn't absolve D'Antoni from criticism...I still understand why many did not want him as coach.  If you want to go anywhere in the NBA, you need be a top-notch team on BOTH ends.  D'Antoni handles only one end of the floor well.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@DolanitisDr@Knicks_Fanatic 

On a per 100 possession basis, we are defensively no better than the D'Antoni era teams. So for this season, there is no trade off. We are bad defensively without the offensive boost. That boost, in part from pace, also saw the team shoot a higher FG%. 

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Knicks_Fanatic@DolanitisDr  

" Woody, and perhaps the men above him, have little interest in developing talent. They seem to gravitate to older veterans on the downside of their careers, for reasons unknown."

Those reasons are not unknown. 

When Woodson replaced D'antoni as head coach Woodson sought to have veterans fill his roster. At that time if you remember Woodson said that (it was his belief) young players don't win in the NBA and that he needed and wanted veterans to fill his roster. He also appear to be an old school coach who relate to and respect veteran players more so than young players. That being his philosophy Grunwald immediately brought in veteran point guards (Mike Bibby, Baron Davis) players who over the hill and broke down, and the next year veteran bigs (Kurt Thomas, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby, as well as James White, Chris Copeland, Jason Kidd and Prigioni) players who either broke down, ran out of gas or should not have been in the NBA). The reason Woodson continue to do this is also because Woodson lack the skills to "develop and harness"the game of young players. Hence Shumperts regression and Felton, JR and even to some extent Hardaway and Murry playing out of control at times. All that being said Woodson's most glaring weakness/flaw is that visibly he has very little offensive basketball acumen and intelligence, which is why he tweaked D'antoni system rather than his own system or a system that could win a championship! Woodson was not the major reason the Knicks won 54 games last year it was the players will, grit, heart, and determination. What Woodson added to that team was focus on the goals and not much more! This year the focus is gone, the goals are gone, and now Woodson should be gone!!!     

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic @DolanitisDr

I partially understand the D'Antoni criticism though - inflating those offensive numbers came through pace, without the player ACTUALLY improving his fundamentals.  It also came through lineups which highlighted an offense-defense tradeoff in the interest of preserving court spacing (4 out, 1 in).  That said, I will admit that David Lee's offensive game genuinely improved. 

However, much like we see with Woodson, there never appeared to be a set scheme for defending under D'Antoni (other than that bizarre lockout season split between D'Antoni and Woodson)

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic @DolanitisDr  

I agree.  If you don't like to TEACH, then you shouldn't be a coach.  The team looks like they are coaching themselves.  If your team suffers from poor decision-makers (Felton, JR, Shumpert, etc.), they can benefit from clear directives on offense and defense.  Without such directives, you get debacles like we saw at the end of the Wizards game.  Even Tyson, a 12-year veteran, has been unable to stay on the same page as Woody.


I can't forget this pre-season quote:

“I fight it every time because it’s my natural instinct to go help and make a difference,” said Chandler, who was the league’s defensive player of the year in the 2011-12 season. “A lot of the things that Woody tries to strategize out there are the complete opposite of what you’re taught as a big man. It takes guys a while to catch on.”

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@Sandro Guedes I had this handle way before I knew who Novak was lol. I had this handle since Alan Hahn's Knicks Fix. You're fairly new around here so of course you wouldn't know that. Nice try tho...


You're still full of it buddy.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Sandro Guedes  

"I couldn't care less."

Not bad! You wouldn't believe the number of Americanos who get this phrase wrong, lol!

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@NoVaCaInE @Sandro Guedes 

This is the internet, brotha.  None of us has any credibility to begin with, lol.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@VerySilentJay @DolanitisDr 

In fairness, I've been guilty of faulty predictions as well.  I thought Anthony Randolph was a great gamble in the D-Lee sign-and-trade.  Lol.  But that's part of the fun.  No GM bats 1.000 . . . the key is limiting and mitigating your risk.   I liked the Randolph get because it was a low-cost risk.


That Swiss watch comment though . . . can't help but laugh when you're watching debacles like tonight.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@DolanitisDr Lol.

Wouldn't be surprised.

This is the same place that stated tha Mozgov was gonna be an All-Star and that Fields was a better version of Battier.



BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Francesco Monastra @DolanitisDr @bigdishing @rico 

Bargnani offensive rating is 103 pts/100 possessions.  His defensive rating is 110 pts/100 possessions.  So he has been a net-negative (-7) player for the Knicks.

(Melo, Tyson, Prigioni, and Hardaway are the only net-positive players).

bigdishing
bigdishing

@Francesco Monastra You're insane. I actually kinda like Bargs, but Toronto wanted to dump him. The story is that the Knicks had rejected a previous proposal STAT for Bargs straight up a year earlier. 

Francesco Monastra
Francesco Monastra

@DolanitisDr @Francesco Monastra @bigdishing @rico Barg is much more talented then anyone u would ever get with that 1st rd pick + Novak + Camby, could even throw in another 1st rd pick i would still take Barg

Knicks are not using Barg enough on the offensive end