Final Score: Knicks 107, Bucks 101

The Knicks (8-17) defeated the Bucks (5-20) 107-101 in Double OT.

The Least You Should Know

With under 20 seconds to go in OT and the Knicks up by 2, Carmelo Anthony missed an isolation jumper. Tyson Chandler tipped it out to Andrea Bargnani WHO SHOT A THREE POINTER, which signaled this reaction from Clyde:

Carmelo Anthony played a career-high 55 minutes, scored 29 points, had 9 rebounds, and 4 assists. He scored the final 8 points for the Knicks.

After missing 20 games, Tyson Chandler had 9 points, 9 rebounds, and 3 blocks.

Beno Udrih had 21 points and 5 assists in his first start.

JR Smith set a Knicks franchise record by putting up 17 three point attempts. He hit 5 of them and finished with 19 points.

For the Bucks, Brandon Knight scored a career-high 36 points. He also grabbed 9 rebounds, but had 8 turnovers.

Amit Badlani

A win is a win, so I’ll take it. But understandably, I have far more complaints than encouraging words after this.

First off, if this team has playoff aspirations, they shouldn’t be going back-and-forth with the Bucks. Especially a Bucks team without OJ Mayo and Larry Sanders. I’m not saying it should’ve been a blowout, but going to 2OT is ridiculous.

Secondly, WHAT WAS ANDREA BARGNANI THINKING AT THE END OF THAT FIRST OT? The only answer was that he wasn’t thinking. I’m sure you all had crazy reactions. I personally hoped someone on the bench clocked him in the face, but then I calmed down and hoped he would just go back to Italy. It’s the same kind of mental mistake that the team committed on Monday in the loss to the Wizards, and when a team is mired in a slump like the Knicks have been in, it’s reason to be even more focused to get out of it.

Thirdly, it’s another poor performance against a “scoring” point guard. This time against Brandon Knight, who barely qualifies as a “scoring” point guard. Knight has been averaging 12.6 points per game this season, AND THEN HE GOES OFF FOR 36. As Tyson Chandler gets back into rhythm, scoring from opposing point guards should decrease, but Udrih and Murry need to do their job of staying in front of their man.

Lastly, I’m happy JR Smith is back to shooting, but he needs to drive more. 17 3-point attempts is INSANE.

There are a handful of bright spots for the Knicks. Carmelo Anthony scored the last 8 points for the Knicks, showing that he can still be the clutch guy that he hasn’t shown so far this season. Tyson Chandler came back and played 36 minutes. He was cramping near the end, but what a performance to come in and give the Knicks a boost like that. And Beno Udrih managed the game well after having little experience with the starting lineup and even threw in 21 points.

 

259 comments
manchu
manchu

After all the headache of last night Id much rather take a W than a L. Period

barnaby87
barnaby87

Like this if you said "what the ****" and then started hysterical laughing when Bargnani put that shot up.

jimmybx
jimmybx

They should rename this the BitcherbockerBlog instead. To quote Sonny Black in Donnie Brasco: "That's all you humps are good for"

lindro88
lindro88

A horrible win over a depleted Bucks team , and people are talking about beating the Pacers in the playoffs.  Only on TKB

lindro88
lindro88

First of all Beno Udrih is not capable of staying in front of quick guards.  In fact no one is.  Look around the league.  When Lillard faces Irving, they both go off for 35.  In fact the Sixers,Blazers,Kings,even OKC are all among the worst rated teams defensively against PG's.  The Knicks problem is once the guard gets past his man, no one helps properly and they give up a ton of layups.  Last night Knight did a lot of his scoring on jump shots.  With Chandler back things should get better.  Nothing I can add to what Bargnani did that hasn't already been spoken about.  While it is not technically Woodson's fault, its just another example of how terribly prepared this team is.  I guess Woody saves his job because they ended up winning, but with Melo playing 55 minutes or whatever it was, it won't be long before he's on the sideline.  I know its not as simple as changing coaches, but its the only move they can make right now. I don't think I have ever seen two straight NBA games where a team handled the final half a minute so poorly.  

diggs
diggs

It's really amazing how bad this team plays, even in their wins.  How did they win 54 games last year...were Copeland and Novak really that important to our success?  Or was it the importance of having Camby, Kurt and Sheed sitting injured on our bench?  I can't blieve it has anything to do with Felton's injury becuase I swear he is the worst starting PG in all of the NBA.

Muhammad Gretzky
Muhammad Gretzky

"Udrih and Murry need to do their job of staying in front of their man."

To be honest, Murry's defense was a bit of fresh air.  He knew when to shadow over to help the defender and was smart one-on-one defensively. Though he received three early foul calls, two of those calls could've went the other way. When Murry was on the floor I saw a small spark of good rotation defense. That's just me. As for Udrih, we can harp on his foot speed on defense, but that's the point of team defense. If one acknowledges that their pg may be at an disadvantage against explosive guards, they would put themselves in a proper position between their man and the guy they're help defending's man, especially if you're a 7-foot veteran, defensive player of the year winner.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

Call me a Knicks fanatic...but, I truly believe that a completely healthy Knicks team can beat the Pacers in the playoffs.  I know the Pacers are playing great basketball and we are not to start the season.


But, come playoffs time and if we are healthy...I am picking the Knicks to beat the Pacers.  Real talk!!!!!  it is not just the knicks homer in me talking...but, I believe we matchup well with them, when healthy!!

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

To be honest...if we are not going to bring in a Jeff Van Gundy, Phil Jackson type coach.  I would rather keep Woodson than replace him with Herb or the Darryl Walkers types of the NBA as our next coach.


Woody has a lot to prove as playoff coach.  However, this team has began to play a lot better over the past maybe 8 games.  Yes, they don't have the record to show for it and they have done some dumb stuff during these games.  All in all they are playing better...


I am not a die hard Woody fan, but Herb and Darryl Walker don't make me feel better about our coaching situation.

fasheezee
fasheezee

There is no genuine discipline with Woodson. He doesn't have them tight when they need to be. You can win a couple of games like that but when I see sustained evidence of good coaching eg Pacers, I see how doomed to failure we are with him. This team is essentially on their own.

hosket
hosket

Go back to Italy?  Is that the best you can do?   Other than being a pal of somebody that gave you the opportunity to host a discussion...I would expect more than a sophomoric tag line.   He wasn't thinking...he is a catch and shoot piece of this insane puzzle the Knick braintrust came up with...and he shot.  Stupid...yes but a reaction that we almost always wish he'd do more of....but stupid wasn't thinking....Now what country should you go back to?

jimmybx
jimmybx

Bargnani made a huge mistake at the end of the game vs the Wizards. Chasing Gortat towards the perimeter wasn't the smartest move, albeit it was a smart decision by Beal to notice the defensive mistake. 


His brain cramp last night was crazy. Just shows you how wired in scorers are. He totally blanked out...

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

I know we are playing bad so far this year.  But we have many, many games to turn this around.  I believe a healthy Knicks team can still be a top 4 team in the east.


Give me a matchup with the Pacers in the 2nd round...I believe we can beat them!!


People forget how bad we were last year between late December and the all star break.  We started great, played bad in the middle of the season and ended playing great for last regular season.


What to say we won't be great later in the year...it is way too early to bury this team!!!


jimmybx
jimmybx

You take a win anyway you can get it. Knicks were severely shorthanded minus Felton, Priggy, Kmart, Amare and then Murry as the game went on. Essentially, were playing with 4 guys off the pine: Artest, Hardaway, Murry and Bargnani. Not an enviable task. What saved us was our 41% shooting from three. We hit 17 3balls. 


We need to hit the 3ball with the style of ball we play. We don't have a solid post game. Our only legit post balla is Melo. Amare is next but he wasn't available last night obviously. 

jimmybx
jimmybx

@lindro88 And the Knicks aren't depleted? JR can hardly get up and throw one down like he was last year. Same thing with Shumpert. Our starting and backup point guards weren't playing and even our 4th pg was injured during the game. We didn't have our starting nor backup PF. 


Are you really this ignorant at times? 


ONLY ON TKB  SMH

lobcity
lobcity

Everything you mentioned that Woodson supposedly corrected in last night game a Veteran coach like him should not make those mistakes in the first place. If he's still not smart enough to know not to make mistakes like the one vs s washington then this guy is useless.

Man everything about Woodson offense and defense is Horrible. Get this garbage coach out of here man. Enough with the excuses. He's been coaching for 10yrs already. Woodson should only be an assistant or a player development coach andthats it PERIOD.

jimmybx
jimmybx

@lindro88 The Woodson bytching is ridiculous already. He has not had a healthy Felton, Shumpert nor JR all season. He has not Tyson for most of the season. It's time all you rocket scientist, never played ball, e-head coaches chill the f out already. Let the fellas get right and we will see how good we are. Tough start to the season, but there's A LOT of ball left to be played this season.

jimmybx
jimmybx

@diggs Spoken like another fat boy, donut eating, non ball playing nerd. Felton is middle of the pack as a PG. He has not been healthy most of the season. That's his problem. And even though you're pretty ignorant, you hit it on the head that the Knicks miss some of their 3 point shooters from last year. I guess you didn't get the memo that we're not a good post offense. 


Yeah, rocket scientist. We're missing shooters from last year: Kidd, Cope and Novak. You're realizing it now? SMH

jimmybx
jimmybx

@Muhammad Gretzky Beno played an efficient game. He was lights out from the perimeter. Offense definitely isn't Beno's issue. The guy can play ball. His defense is the reason he's a backup.

lindro88
lindro88

@zdiddy4nyk That's really ludicrous.  The Pacers are on an entirely different level than the Knicks even if the Knicks are 100 percent healthy.  Not to mention the difference between Vogel and Woodson is startling.  I'm a Knicks fan for 30 years, and would love for this team to start playing better, but right now they aren't even on the same level as teams like the Wizards, never mind the Pacers.

jimmybx
jimmybx

@zdiddy4nyk Anyone judging us by our record is either a fool or a Knick hater. We will see what happens when the team is fully healthy. Hopefully we will keep getting stronger as the season goes on

illmatix
illmatix

@zdiddy4nyk agreed, firing Woody just to have Herb, Walker or H20 take over makes no sense and i think Dolan and crew know this which is why Woody is still here

fasheezee
fasheezee

@zdiddy4nyk That's exactly the point. We NEED a competent coach. Teams eventually takes on the personality of their coach---no wonder Bargs had that lapse in thinking. Woody has lapses constantly.

lobcity
lobcity

Lol.. You learn this in elemtary what are you talking about lol... The Knicks are a joke and last night proved it. Get rid of these players man.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@jimmybx He made 2 bad mistakes...it goes to show he is human.  He will learn from it.  We won the game...that is all that matter.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@zdiddy4nyk We will not win with this coach. He gets out-coached on the regular. That's the reality of the situation. 

lobcity
lobcity

Who's our 3 point shooters? Stop it!! Lmao

Thats not our offense anymore. We only have one real shooter and thats Timmy. Understand that.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@jimmybx Agree...A win is a win is a win...Amen!!  Pretty or ugly win count as 1 win...period!!

moneyball
moneyball

@jimmybx @lindro88  Some act like a 40 point win would register more than a 6 point win. A win is a win.

We'll take it and hopefully build upon that. Come April no one will want to play this team in the first round. 


jimmybx
jimmybx

@lobcity Yet the man won 54 games last year....Gotta love it when the bagel chompers of the blog world chime in with BS. As if it's his fault Shump, Amare and JR had surgery this offseason and TY broke his leg early in the season....

lindro88
lindro88

@jimmybx @lindro88  JimmyBX the expert on everything.  Last year you said that Wallace was fine, and if the playoffs started he could play.  You said so many things that were 100 percent wrong,that it's hard to even take you seriously anymore. BTW what level of basketball did you play? Were you a two sport star, because you say the same thing about baseball.  A true legend in your own mind.  

moneyball
moneyball

@lindro88 @zdiddy4nyk If the pacers are so great why did it take a boneheaded play by Shumpert for them to beat us in OT without Chandler playing??? I agree with Zdiddy4nyk we will be ready come playoff time and the Pacers are not the Boogieman.

jimmybx
jimmybx

@lindro88 @zdiddy4nyk That's bullsheeit. They're NOT on any level greater than us. The Knicks offense is not there yet. Give me a healthy Felton, Shumpert, JR and Tyson and then we will talk. 


The Pacemakers, as proven yesterday, are NOT an infallible squad on offense late in the game. You stick them in a halfcourt game and they can be easily shut down. The Heat aren't that talented defensively and they pretty much shut them down. If you look at the Pacemakers and their offense it's pretty much an ISO game for George and an occasional post for either West or Hibbert. And neither are to be compared to Patrick Ewing in the post. 

lindro88
lindro88

@jimmybx @zdiddy4nyk That I'll agree with.  They won't finish with a bottom five record in the NBA, but to put them in the same air as the Pacers is foolish.  I know you Jimmy, a smart Basketball man, knows better than to even consider that.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Kojo Brown@zdiddy4nyk It has to be the right coach...Herb and Walker are not the answer!!!

fasheezee
fasheezee

@Carl D Hill @Kojo Brown Then why even have a coach then? Teams need good coaching in order to do the following:


PLAY TEAM DEFENSIVE

GOOD SPACING

OBSERVE AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS-PLAY CHESS WITH THE OPPOSING COACH

KEEP EGOS AND PERSONALITIES IN CHECK-GET INSIDE THEIR HEADS-MOTIVATE

SET A TONE FOR COHESIVE PLAY


Woodson does NONE of this!



lobcity
lobcity

These dudes are smoking something

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@kneggyknik A healthy Knicks team can beat the Pacers.  A Healthy Chandler has outplayed Hibbert most of the time...fact!!

lobcity
lobcity

A win is a win?

Chandler first game back and hes playing close to 40 mins. Melo playing close to 60mins to get a win against the lowly Bucks. Please stop acting so desparate. We are not going anywhere with this team and this coach. We will struggle this year to make the playoffs and thats a fact.

dullah
dullah

LMAOOOOOO @ 'played at Rucker...'

-no you didn't...

jimmybx
jimmybx

@lindro88 @jimmybx Sheed broke his foot before the playoffs if I'm not mistaken. He was scheduled to come back and everyone thought he would. He decided to retire because he was told at this point he couldn't go on without risk of injuring it. None of us were privy to that, crybaby. 


Instead of questioning me and my knowledge, perhaps you should question why you use blogs to moan and cry about bullsheeet. 


And I was good enough to play ball at Ruckers with dozens of street legends who probably would put you to shame. I have also coached at the North Yonkers Boys & Girls club. Did that for a few years. What the f are your references? Blog expert at re-spewing statistics? Give me a break. Like I've always said, virgins can't talk about sex. They shouldn't give out sex tips. 

jimmybx
jimmybx

@lindro88 @jimmybx @zdiddy4nyk So it was our imagination how the Heat shut down the Pacemakers last night, huh? 


Fortunately, I don't see basketball through your eyes, Lindro. I watch it, analyze it and discuss it's strategy through experience off and on the court. 


I'm not going to discuss our ability with someone too blind to acknowledge that our guys are not healthy at the moment. 

lindro88
lindro88

@jimmybx @lindro88 @zdiddy4nyk Keep telling yourself that.  If you want to debate weather the Knicks can finish .500 and hopefully win a round in the playoffs, thats fine.  If you are going to compare this mess to the Pacers, no point in that.

jimmybx
jimmybx

@lindro88 @jimmybx @zdiddy4nyk Lindro...In case you weren't watching the game where we were ROBBED vs the Pacemakers, we WON that game. I suggest you watch that game again. I also suggest you remember that it took a fixed officiated Game 6 for us to be eliminated last year. 


The Pacemakers are no better than they were last year. And YES, we are their equal if not better. Judging us post JR, Shump, and Amare surgery, and minus Tyson for most of the season is sheer ignorance. It's not the best team that wins. It's the healthiest. 


Let the season play itself out before we talk about who is better. At this time last year, you would have said the same thing about the Pacemakers if someone compared them to us.

illmatix
illmatix

@Kojo Brown @zdiddy4nyk @illmatix agree to disagree....Herb has been here for years and if he was as competent as you say he would have been coach years ago or at least given a shot to do so

fasheezee
fasheezee

@zdiddy4nyk @illmatix BS. Dolan is solely interested in Woody's CAA connection. Herb is a competent temporary replacement and the team respects him. They would get that bye bye Woody bump while they find a permanent replacement.