Final: Thunder 123, Knicks 94

The Knicks (9-19), Thunder (23-5) on Christmas Day. 123-94.

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With the loss, New York moved to 22-27 all-time on Christmas Day games and 21-20 at MSG.

The Knicks are now 0-9 against Western Conference foes.

Carmelo Anthony, who was a game-time decision leading up to this game, did not play. Raymond Felton was sidelined, too.

Five Oklahoma City players scored in double-figures. In contrast, just three Knicks did.

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Even with their leading scorer and top rebounder, the Knicks faced an uphill climb against the Western Conference elite Without Carmelo Anthony, the task was even greater.

The Knicks (9-19) fell to the Thunder (23-5) on Christmas Day , 123-94, and in the process dropped their ninth consecutive game against a Western Conference foe.

 

The Knicks went toe-to-toe with the Thunder in the opening frame, that was until the visiting team went on a 9-2 run to take a six-point lead. It was in the second quarter, though, when Oklahoma City was able to extend its lead, taking a 14-point advantage into halftime as the Knicks went 3-of-13 shooting from the field.

It was more of the same in the third quarter, as the Thunder’s lead ballooned to 20 as Kevin Durant and Co. proved to be too much for the Knicks offense to keep pace with. By the fourth quarter, boos — and even a “Fire Dolan” chant — roared down from the Madison Square Garden crowd.

The only thing uglier than the final score was the uniforms on display from both squads.

Anthony, who was considered a game-time decision after getting injured in Monday’s win over the Magic, did not play due to an ankle injury. Anthony is second all-time only to Tracy McGrady in terms of scoring  average in Christmas Day games. Also out for New York was Raymond Felton, who aggravated his groin injury Monday as well.

Amare` Stoudemire stepped up on the offensive end in Anthony’s  absence, scoring a team-high 22 points after scoring all of 25 points in the past five contests, and for and for the first time this season, a player not named Carmelo Anthony led the team in scoring.

J.R. Smith dropped 20 in the start, and off the bench Tim Hardaway Jr. added 21 points, setting a new career mark.

With 1:21 remaining in the rout, Chris Smith, the brother of J.R. Smith, made his professional debut. The former Louisville standout did not attempt a shot.

The Thunder were led by none other than Durant, who was one of five Oklahoma City players to score in double-figures. Durant had a game-high 29 points and Serge Ibaka followed close by with 24. Russell Westbrook notched a triple-double, scoring 14, grabbing 12 boards and dishing out 10 assists. Off the bench, Reggie Jackson and Jeremy Lamb added 18 and 13 points, respectively.

Overall, the Thunder beat the Knicks not on rebounds or through turnovers forced but shooting. The Thunder shot 54 percent from the field and from 3-point range, while the Knicks struggled mightily, earning a 42 percent from the field and a miserable 26 percent from downtown.

Next:

The Knicks host the Toronto Raptors Friday at the Garden at 7:30 p.m.

116 comments
Robert C. Smith
Robert C. Smith

I actually watched both the Nets and Knicks today. It's really impressive what's going on right now; Garnett and Pierce turned into senior citizens from the moment they arrived. The Knicks play as if they don't know each other, even though the core of the team should know each other quite well by now - that, and Andrea Bargnani is the biggest Knicks stiff big man since Neal Walk.

Wicksell
Wicksell

Guys, firing Woodson is harder than you think. I honestly think CAA holds all the cards...and Dolans balls. Thing is MSG will continue to sell out regardless so there is no incentive to try to fix anything. ..look how quick Avery Johnson got fired despite a decent record for a newly assembled team.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

This team is unwatchable, and the ghosts of Christmas past (ie, draft picks previously dealt) compound the issue. It's beyond shocking to me that Woodson is still coaching this team. Time is running out to fire him and still deduct severance from MSG's 2013 tax return, so I'm hoping someone comes to his senses and shakes this team up... I don't care about the injuries, the unbalanced roster, etc. This team is better than their record talent-wise, and I see young players getting worse and not better. Neither is acceptable

Francesco Monastra
Francesco Monastra

1st fire Woody

then tear this team apart


Lakers get: Garnett and Felton

Nets get: Melo Chandler Jr MWP Martin

Suns get: Pierce

Knicks get: Lopez Gasol Okafor Plumlee Shengelia (2 future 1st rd picks from Nets, 1st rd pick in 14 from Suns they got from Pacers)


Knicks get: Asik and Cannon

Rockets get: Barg and Prig 


Knicks then release Okafor C.Smith Aldrich Udrih, get a injury exception for Lopez

Sign Darius Morris Troy Daniels Manny Harris Devin Ebanks Jeremy Tyler Jarvis Varnado/Deywane Dedmon


new roster

PG: Morris Cannon Murry 

SG: Shump Harris Daniels

SF: Hardaway Jr Ebanks Shengelia

PF: Gasol Stat Tyler Plumlee

C: Asik Varnado/Dedmon

injury exception: Lopez


2014 you have cap to sign Kyle Lowry, maybe look to resign Gasol to go next to Asik and trade Lopez for sg/sf help, then have Pacers 2014 pick, and then exception to use

Dareel Ness
Dareel Ness

Knicks should resign MarshMelo to an Arod like contract, he's worth it

Dareel Ness
Dareel Ness

Poor knicks fans


Poor Nets Fans


Poor Ny sports fans

Marvel
Marvel

Wanna what type of organization we are?  we will /could /should clear up all of our cap space for 2015....and then jam the cap up by signing a few injury prone players to huge contracts..


resign Melo for 130 mill and watch history repeat itself in a few years..



uhggggggg


give me 5 players that make /are worth 10 mill over two players making 45+mill...



I wish I ran the knicks lol





bockers
bockers

Every decade since the 1980s the talent level has diminished in the NBA.


MJ

Olajawon

Drexler

Magic

Bird

Moses Malne

Isiah Thomas

D.Wilkens

McHale

Dantley

Gervin

Kareem

Bernard King

English

Barkley


zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

I would love somebody to explain why we sign a PF to $100 million max contract, when he can't rebound or play any defense.  Walsh was a bad Knicks GM.

Jaime
Jaime

When it comes to Melo, some people are just dumb.  They either expect him to be Lebron (No one is that freakishly) or they expect him to play like Durant (when he doesn't have a 2nd star like Westbrook nor has people like Green/Harden/Ibaka as his 3rd).


Melo might have holes in his game, but he isn't anywhere close to what the problem in NY is.

ponzies86
ponzies86

This team needs to surround Melo with 3 point shooters. Letting Novak and Copeland go was bad

ponzies86
ponzies86

Melo is shooting 48.5 % in the month of December and 29ppg.  Trust me this team is no way in hell better without Melo

Dareel Ness
Dareel Ness

Dirk Nowitzki: Call me old school but these jerseys with sleeves are awful.....


Ben Golliver: Video: Knicks G Beno Udrih rolls up jersey sleeve after bricking three-pointer


While free agency is a long way away and there is lots of basketball left to be played, the team that most fans and media peg as Anthony’s likely destination is the LA Lakers, however insiders around the Knicks and Carmelo peg the LA Clippers as more likely to land Anthony if he leaves the Knicks. Openly suggesting the Knicks and Clippers would try and consummate a trade at the trade deadline to insure LA has the rights to Anthony.


Anthony has the option to hit free agency in July and while the Knicks can and likely will offer the most money to retain him, there is a prevailing thought that Carmelo Anthony has checked out on his team and that an eventual exit seems more likely than not. As one insider said last night after the game, the idea of Anthony leaving the Knicks isn’t talked about in the abstract around the team. It’s talked about as though it’s going to happen.

CiceAsNice
CiceAsNice

@Robert C. Smith When the Nets made the move to acquire both of them, I asked myself 'did they see he playoffs last year"?  Did the nets think they would get younger?  It was well known that Garnett has to go through much to play every game last year, did they see that getting better?  The Knicks will be ok, the Nets were done before the season started and the near future.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

Impossible to know one way or the other... But it's a mistake to assume poor on-court performance has no impact on revenue. Ticket sales are only one of multiple revenue streams, which of course include Tv ratings and advertising

Jaime
Jaime

@Dareel NessNot at that age.  When he was 28, yeah.  But at 32, its not a smart thing to sign someone for so long and so much.  


(btw, I know what you're doing.  Just felt like ignoring the haterade)

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Marvel Miami is following what you are saying and using all their cap on three players...$60 mill. Last time I check, paying 2-3 max players makes for good teams.  Problem is when you waste a max contract on a player like Amare... Thanks Walsh for this team being so bad!!

Tikki
Tikki

@bockers The C's from the 90s would eat this current crop for lunch.

ponzies86
ponzies86

@ExpectTheWorst Lakers have better shooters then the Knicks no doubt but still arent going to do anything with that run and gun system

Jaime
Jaime

@ExpectTheWorstDantoni is HORRIBAD.  He'll make a bad team into a below average team.  But an average team gets worse.  A good team gets worse.  A great team gets worse.  THAT SIMPLE. I'd like him as my coach if I'm a bottom feeder like the Bucks, Magic, Bobcats, etc.  I wouldn't want him as my coach for a team like Atlanta, Knicks, OKC, etc.



wingo43
wingo43

@zdiddy4nyk I guess you forgot the Garden crowd chanting M-V-P to Amare the first year we got him.   It's not his fault we gave him all that money.

knickfan2
knickfan2

No one cared about Stat's D or rebounding when he was averaging 26/8. The only reason why any of that is so noticeable now is because he's lost all of his offensive pizzazz.

Jaime
Jaime

@zdiddy4nyk I LOVED that there was a GM to FINALLY just clean house.  Being a Knick fan since the early 90's, I just salivated about that.  So, for that, I give him props.  Actually, JUST FOR THAT i SAY HE WAS A GOOD GM.

But there were downsides...and it was mostly teams taking advantage of the Knicks.  Our "star" players were given away for nothing (at least get future 1st round picks).  Giving away picks and young talent (hill) to get rid of Jeffries/Curry (we couldn't even get rid of him).  Hiring Dantoni (horrible coach).  Technically, he had the right action of cleaning house but since the 2010 deadline was put on him, it fudged up.

Tikki
Tikki

@zdiddy4nyk Thing is, it's really hard to evaluate Knicks GMs with Dolan as the owner.  As much as I hated many of Walsh's moves (e.g. the D'Antoni hire, Hill pick), I am never sure how much pressure there was from Dolan on the FA signings and trades.

Matty B
Matty B

@JaimeGreat points.  In today's game, the Thunder had the best 3 players on the court (KD, Westbrook and Ibaka).  Then if you say Chandler is the 4th best player, tell me the player on our team you'd rather have than Reggie Jackson?  That team knows what they are doing.  They literally have hit on every single draft pick.  Imagine they didn't do that stupid deal for Perkins?  Their lineup would be:

Ibaka

Green

Durant

Sephalosha

Westbrook


NASTY

smiggybalz
smiggybalz

Everyone loves to make excuses for that lame.Melo is not only what's wrong with the Knicks,he's everything that's wrong with the NBA and all pro sports.

smiggybalz
smiggybalz

The Knicks need to surround Melo with sharpshooters and count to three and pull the trigger

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Jaime @Dareel Ness Melo is 29 now...same age as Lebron.  Knicks should give Melo a 4 year max deal.

bockers
bockers

@Tikki@bockers They (C's) were better in

the 60s and 70s. Btw,Kareem and Hakeem measure up with Ewing,Shaq and Robinson.

wingo43
wingo43

@Jaime @ExpectTheWorst At least D'Antoni could run an offense (if he had a decent PG).  Woodson can't coach offense or defense.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@knickfan2 We all cared about his lack of D. It's just that at that time, he could make up for it by outscoring his counterpart. Now, he doesn't score nearly enough to balance it out. 

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Jaime @zdiddy4nyk Walsh cleared house, but then pick up players that are worse than the ones he gave away for nothing.  ZB0 would be better to keep over Amare.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@Sandro Guedes @ponzies86 No, as usual you are completely wrong. Which of the first 5 guys are the next Melo, or LeBron, Wiggins, he is not even the best player on his college team. Parker? Melo took his college team to the NCAA chip. I don`t rhink Parker is going to do that? You are not getting LeRoid in the draft. Oscar, Russ Wilt Jordan Magic Bird , none of those guys are in this draft. Build around Melo, and get the right coach. He has had 3 wack coaches in the NBA, and has never had the quality to really compete for a ring, as did Pat, who took all the same shiz that Melo is, he is in the HOF

ponzies86
ponzies86

@Sandro Guedes @ponzies86 Draft picks often dont pan out unless you get into the top 5. and No other team is going to give up that unless their competing for a ring this year 

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Jaime He is not going to take only $15 mill in year 1. Melo is in his prime.  By NBA standard, Memo is a max player...$20 mill plus per year minimum.

Jaime
Jaime

@zdiddy4nykI agree.  I just don't like that it'd be at $20+ million.  If he'd re-sign for $15 million a year (at least at the start), then I'd be down with that. 
Or at least at his current contract of $18-$20 million a year.  But $25...yeesh.  No one, unless its LeBron.

Jaime
Jaime

@Sandro Guedes@Jaime@ExpectTheWorst we're more mid-tier around where Atlanta usually is (5th 6th seed).  Our record implies bad coaching and horrible shooting from JR, Shump, Bargs (sometimes).