Knicks end the season on a high note in 2nd team audition

Harris Decker

On the season’s final night, in what was likely Mike Woodson’s final game coaching the New York Knicks, the team had a very different look. With Raymond Felton and Tyson Chandler on the bench, and with Carmelo Anthony beginning rehab on his torn labrum, the starting lineup was looking more like the new White Plains D-League team than that of the defending Atlantic Division champs.

NBA: Toronto Raptors at New York KnicksAgainst this years Atlantic champions, that group put up a great battle and actually won.

J.R. Smith put the cherry on top of an excellent second half, leading the Knicks with 30 points. Another regular, Tim Hardaway Jr., turned in 18 points. The real stars of the game were Toure’ Murry and Cole Aldrich, two players who played a very limited role this year saw season highs in minutes and many statistical categories. Murry put up a career high 15 points and Aldrich pulled down a season high 16 boards. Aldrich also added 13 points, matching his season high.

It was nice to see a group of players that haven’t seen much time this year come out and truly fight to be a part of this teams future. The game itself might not have mattered to the Knicks but it definitely did to a handful of players. After the game Aldrich echoed that sentiment.

“We came out and we fought. We ended strong,” he said.

For Woodson this was likely his final game in New York. The Knicks coach failed to make the playoffs a season after winning 54 games and the Atlantic. After the game, he was somber.

“Is it fair to let me go? I don’t think so, but I don’t make that decision. That’s gotta come from the top,” Woodson said.

It’s been a tough season and no one knows that better than Woodson. With Anthony, Chandler and Felton on the shelf, it was a great way to end a disappointing season. We watched guys battle for a future in New York and now we can turn our attention to an offseason that is sure to be very, very interesting.




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hosket
hosket

Woody was the indulgent father figure.......Melo could do whatever he wanted....shoot when ever, from where ever, play the 4 vs the 3....sure he should get choked up.  His numbers were epic.......When Melo didn't listen, Woody forgave him, put his arm around him.  So sure, understandable he has some anxiety.....it will be worth it.  

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

NotoriousOHM Ohm Youngmisuk
On possibility of having to go through another losing season before Knicks might be able to win and wait, Melo says he just went through it
17 minutes ago


LOL.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

NotoriousOHM Ohm Youngmisuk
Carmelo said at this stage in his career, money is not the most important thing. Described this past season as embarrassing missing playoffs
2 minutes ago

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Steve Popper @StevePopper

Melo said if the plan is to build for 2015 he can't be a part of another losing season.


Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN 

Carmelo was getting choked up as he talked about not making the playoffs and about what Mike Woodson means to him. Very emotional.


Steve Popper @StevePopper 

Melo said he would support Woodson coming back to Knicks. Of course, that doesn't mean he would be playing for him.


Steve Popper @StevePopper 

Melo said he's financially stable - "At this point in my career it’s about winning. Nothing else even matters."


Chris Herring @HerringWSJ

Carmelo called Woodson "almost a father figure." Said he's had some of his best playing yrs under him.


chudogz1
chudogz1

What's the holdup?? #FIREBALDY

rgm891
rgm891

I still can't believe the Cole train barely played this season. Woody rather play bargs and stat. Unbelievable.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

Nice win again! So the ball moves better without Melo on the court!  That's a given that we always saw!  Yet, guys are playing harder now because they know Phil is watching for sure.  

Now it's the Melo watch time!   We shall see how Phil and Melo handles this for sure.  

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

So Melo isn't Phil's type of player Stacey King says otherwise:


What could Phil Jackson's triangle offense do for Carmelo Anthony? The sky is the limit, according to Stacey King, the former Chicago Bulls center who won three rings playing in the triangle in the early 1990s.

"Carmelo is at the same stage Michael Jordan was at before Phil put in the triangle," said King, who currently works as a color commentator on Bulls telecasts. "Right now, the Knicks' offense is get the ball to Carmelo and have four guys standing around. The triangle would take so much pressure off of him. He wouldn't have to do everything."


King, who ran the triangle when he was a coach in the CBA, said one of the most important aspects to making it work is having the right kind of center. "The triangle must have a center who can hold the post and can read and react and make the right passes," he said, adding that he thinks Tyson Chandler and Amar'e Stoudemire would be able to contribute in the system.

King believes the Knicks have the athletes to make the system work, though they will need to make some tweaks.

"Right now, you have a bunch of guys who have just been playing off their athletic ability,'' he said. "They haven't been required to play in a structured system. With Amar'e, he had the pick-and-roll in Phoenix. Carmelo has always just been roll out the ball for 30. And J.R. Smith just shoots the ball. It's going to be different in the triangle, but I think it will make them better."

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@SheSaidSpikeWho

Steve Popper @StevePopper

Melo said if the plan is to build for 2015 he can't be a part of another losing season.


Those who think Phil, or Melo are gonna tank a season, can go to sleep, thank you.

knickster
knickster

Your words are false because they leave no room for feelings or honest criticism - as fans, we have every right to question the team's moves. We have every right to give up on a season when it becomes obvious the team will not achieve any of the goals.

It's completely delusional to expect normal fans to smile and cheer when the team is playing bad. It's completely delusional to expect knowledgeable fans to not question the coach's decisions when they result in losses for our team. It's completely delusional and quite unfair to ask fans to remain silent and optimistic when the team compromises its own future with terrible transactions like the acquisition of Bargnani.

You are asking people to suspend thought. You are asking people to ignore reality. You are insulting people's intelligence. That's not very nice of you.

As fans, we are always hoping things go right for our team. That's what a good fan does. But a good fan also has the right to express his feelings and ideas - even when they seem in contradiction to the team's direction. Not different than a good father telling his son he is on the wrong road....

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@BiggieTKB  Here is where you are incorrect (by the way I enjoyed the majority of your post). If as a fan, one believes losing games is helpful in the long run (i.e. for lottery balls, or getting rid of some horrific management), that person is entitled to root for a losing outcome, with the hopes of a better tomorrow.


In my instance, I knew this team could never win a championship with Mills in charge, and Woodson as coach. I knew if they kept losing, Dolan would have to make a move, which subsequently led to Jackson. Moreover, Dolan is on record with Michael Kay asserting that he would have ''probably not'' hired Jackson, had the season gone well, so that is my objective evidence, that my hypothesis is correct.


I am just as die hard of a fan as everyone, in the sense I want to see my team succeed. We simply operate our loyalty in two distinct ways. I am ready to offer a truce, and move on from our discretions, but you have to be willing to be more objective to opinions that may differ from your's (not trolls). If so, I know you can be a respected member on here, as opposed as an accuser. 

rgm891
rgm891

Is melo also going for a boat ride?

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@MeloStat301 Carmelo is at the same stage Michael Jordan was at before Phil put in the triangle," said King"!

hahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahaahahahaahahahahahaaha

MJ is laughing his butt off at that one! 

So Melo at 30 is at the same point the greatest player to maybe ever play the game was at when Phil came aboard? 

hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaahaha

This sounds more like KingKiyan! 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@MeloStat301  

Remember that the Bulls were able to execute the triangle with Luc Longley and Will Perdue. You don't need to have a super center. I'm sure both Chandler and Aldrich will be fine.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@MeloStat301 Dude this is bogus. Melo should be thinking about winning a ring. Who cares if we have another winning reg season and go nowhere in the playoffs.

At this stage of his career and if we are to take him at his word that winning a ring is paramount, then why the talk about losing season?

If he is smart, he should be finding the best place and opportunity for him to win a ring as quick as he can while in his prime years!

If he prides himself just with making the playoffs every year and not going further for a ring, then there's a problem! 

Did you hear LBJ talk about I'm going to South Bench to not have a losing season?

It was about going for the ring period!

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@knickster Irvin, you are not a fan my friend.



Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Seth Plaut @BiggieTKB  I see your point and yes, in the NBA it makes sense to root for losing sometimes, but honestly I think this strategy is short sighted.  We always think of Lebron, Durant, Melo, etc…guys who were top 3 draft picks and think getting a lottery pick is the best way to get better quickly. And yes, if you get that lottery pick you can go from a losing team to a winning team in one season.  Lebron with Cleveland, Melo with The Nuggets.  Shaq with Orlando, etc.  


But look at The Kings.  The Bucks.  The Twolves.  The Bobcats.  These teams are always getting high draft picks and yet never getting any better.  The Spurs got Duncan back in 99 but Parker and Ginobli and all their other great players they got late in the first round, second round, or just off waivers, through trades…and they have a great coach.


That's why I always want The Knicks to be winning.  People say they don't want to be a 45 or 50 win team that only gets to the second round of the playoffs.  But here's the thing.  If you are well managed and you are winning and getting to the playoffs every year, you will have players who will want to play for you.  The Spurs are in a really small market yet veterans want to go there cause they know they got a shot to win.  We just aren't used to it bc even once we got STAT and Melo and were finally a playoff team, we were pretty much capped out.  But if we were winning close to or over 50 games a year and getting into the playoffs year after year, players would flock to our team.  Winning creates good energy, which feeds off on players, coaches and an organization and causes more winning.  The law of attraction.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@thatsagoodpoint @SheSaidSpikeWho  Yup.  The thing is, Melo has less leverage than we think.  There are very few teams that could sign him outright where he'd have a chance to win and would be in a good market.  Chicago seems like a great fit if you replace Melo with Boozer.  But that involves them amnestying Boozer and their owner is super cheap.  Or trading Boozer in a Melo deal, which means Knicks would have to sign off on that and could then take more players/draft picks from Chicago.  Houston is an option and there are some nice players and maybe a pick or two we could get from them.  But point is, if Melo signs out right with a team he might have to take even less than the hometown discount people are talking about here.  Or he'd have to negotiate with The Knicks to do a sign and trade, which gives The Knicks some leverage.  


It makes sense for him to resign for a discount but at the full 5 years.  He'll get another 90 to 100 million, help the team out by not taking the super max and will still make more (plus that extra year) than if he signed somewhere else.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@thatsagoodpoint @SheSaidSpikeWho  


Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

Carmelo: "At this point in my career I'm not concerned about the money." Knicks can offer more than any other team: five years, $129 million


xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@rgm891 LOL  Yeah but Melo maybe in a yacht heading to Chi-town! 

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@xmenreturn @MeloStat301 Nowhere did King say they were at the same point in careers.  He was making the point..they are at the same stage as far as situation wise.  Roll it out to Melo and MJ and watch 4 others look at them, Michael was fortunate to have Tex and Phil play in the triangle.  No way is king comparing the two career wise, don't reach.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@Knicks_Fanatic @MeloStat301 I agree...Cartwright was a little more of a threat, a 20 ppg scorer while in Ny if I remember correctly, but I can see Tyson in it.  It isn't a forgone conclusion that he's out.  Aldrich I want to see develop....along with Tyler..will be interesting.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@xmenreturn  Dude, we can compete next year.  I know that sounds crazy but I really believe Woodson is that bad of a coach.  Plus the East will still be weak.  If not weaker.  Miami another year older.  Pacers will be capped out.  Chicago probably won't improve (unless they get Melo).  Brooklyn has no room to improve.  Some teams like Wizards might get better but with a real coach and system in place we can be the 3rd seed with pretty much the same team if things go right for us.  JR has a consistent year.  If we keep Chandler he'll be in a contract year, which usually means players play better.  Shump could still take a leap and if he sticks to playing within himself and has more confidence, he should be better.  Hopefully we can find someone to replace Felton or reduce his minutes and even he had a lot of horrible stuff happen to him off court that affected his play.  Point is, everything that could go wrong went wrong for us this year plus Woodson got exposed as a bad coach.  I'm not saying we can win it all next year.  But with the East being as bad as it is, we can be 3rd to 5th seed and then if we get hot or Miami or Indiana stumbles, who knows.  


Think of it this way.  We went to game 6 last year against a team that took Miami to 7 games.  We matched up very well against Miami last year and also beat The Spurs both times last year.  If we were a bit healthier, if JR didn't implode, if we take care of Boston in 4 games and win game one against The Pacers, we could have been in the Finals.  The difference between last year's team and this year's team was Kidd and some veterans and JR having a better overall year.  Its very easy to look at us this year and how bad it was and think the gulf between where we are and being a really competitive team is vast.  But it may not be as vast as we think.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@xmenreturn Blah blah,..of course..anything that doesn't fit your narrative is bogus.


By losing season, it doesn't give him a chance to compete in the playoffs for a ring...so he's right.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@MeloStat301 LOL Ok. You must live in Pleasantville!

For many if that friend hit the lotto, you would be saying that SOB used to be my friend.   I can't even get past the gate now! 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@SheSaidSpikeWho Every player says that until the actual amount is proposed!  

It's great PR for any player to say that!  

Let Phil say how about 14M for 5 years! 

It's like friends saying  if I win the lotto, i will give you half.  Yeah let that friend hit the lotto and see what happens

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@kingkiyan lol We need his mind to rehab!  The Bulls just need him to rehab his shoulder!  

Do you think Melo will forgoe another year without having to realistic compete for that ring next year and risk being 31+ under Phil to maybe get him some more help?

Would you? 

Would you pass up the opportunity to go to the team of maybe your choice (more or less) to get that ring as fast as you can?

I'm just asking because I think if Melo is more concerned about a ring as he says, then he should make the decision to go to a team like the Bulls. 

Once he wins a ring, he now has the juice to go along with his personal stats. 

rgm891
rgm891

Hahaha that def sounds about right

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@MeloStat301 Dude, you are trying to spray Lysol over a t##rd!  It still stinks! 

Flush it man! Flush it! 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@sir_manolo No one i know is available next year and even if they were we can't do much next year which is why I think Melo will bolt on his own! 

Would you lose another prime year at 30 to not realistically have the opportunity to compete for a ring....especially if money is not that critical to you? 

Would you let another year go by and hope Phil can do something he has never done in the role he is now in?

My pt is that if a ring is central to Melo, he may be the one to opt out and head to a team like the Bulls!  

I have seen no signs that Phil has assured Melo that he wants him to stay and that he has a real plan to build around Melo.  Just my opinion looking it at from various sides!  

I just want us to win so even if Duhon come here, take the clear and the cream and become a force, I would hold my nose and root like champ! lol

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@sir_manolo It's not about hating really!  It's about just being honest without opinions!  

Melo has had 10 years and he's a scorer period.  

Dude, you got to stop with the Olympics.  That team already has the leadership and best players so Melo can just score. 

We the Knicks need more than just a scorer.  

Some of you refuse to see that!  We need star players that can lead and do things on both sides of the ball.  We are missing many pieces not just one! 

Once again, Melo decided to come here under D"Antoni so you have to question his smarts if winning a ring was the main thing.  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@sir_manolo LOL No tissues needed man! I just want us to win.  If I'm wrong and Phil thinks he can build around and win with Melo so be it.  

That will be on Phil!  That would be his choice to tie himself to Melo.  Case close! 

For now, I just don't see Phil doing that unless Melo take a huge pay cut and pledge to get on board to Phil's agenda! 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@thatsagoodpoint Yep, Kiyan has no idea what a beast MJ was when he cameg into the league when we already had great players in Bird, Magic and etc.  

There were so many good teams then to get by and defenses would put you on your back going to the hoop.  There were no sissy flagrant fouls like we have now and defenders could use both hands on ya! 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@thatsagoodpoint LOL  I posted about this last year and some Orangemen faithful gave a very hard time here.  Boeheim was considered a dunce for years until Melo helped him get over the top.  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@kingkiyan Teams do double Melo. But did you see what teams used to do when MJ came into the league?  

When they double Melo, he can't make smart decisions and he usually always stay perimeter. 

MJ would go in a dunk on your butt in his early years. He was fearless man! 



xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@thatsagoodpoint  LMAO!  I was just going to post that!

Remember when Boeheim was considered the dummy of coaching. He had all kinds of talent there and they never won anything until Melo.  So he owns a lot to Melo for sure.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@kingkiyan MJ came out a year early in college!  

They aren't the same period man!  In the Jordan rules, teams used to triple team MJ to get the ball out of his hands. 

Maybe the fact that MJ had 3 years of college may have helped him be smarter. 

But I think MJ is just smarter b-ball wise anyway. 


xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@thatsagoodpoint LOL 

Anyone comparing Melo and MJ should be sent directly to mental care!  

Carmelo is 30 next month! 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@kingkiyan True!  Then it will be on Phil to build around Melo during his tenure.  I just want to win baby!

I will have no issue if Phil fail or win here pointing that out!

But we shall see what Phil and Melo does! 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@kingkiyan Dude,  I don't care if Jesus himself stated that! It's totally crazy!  You folks are so gullible. 

MJ was in the NBA for 5 years only before Phil joined the Bulls in 1989. 

Melo has been in the league for 10 years and with 2 teams already.  

MELO is not MJ or KOBE!  Never will be! LMAO!


xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@thatsagoodpoint LMAO!  MJ was not 30 and when Phil came to the Bulls.  MJ was 26 and he had been in the NBA for 5 years!