Knicks likely to re-sign Jeremy Tyler, waive Chris Smith

The Knicks will likely re-sign Jeremy Tyler and release Chris Smith on Monday (Berman).

4:21 p.m.: New York has decided to cut Smith to make room for Tyler (Begley).

“[Smith's] salary of $490,814 is already guaranteed, according to league sources, so the Knicks would not be saving any money on the transaction,” Begley said.

Tyler has averaged 19.8 points and 11.4 rebounds over his last five games in the D-League.


J.R. Smith, Chris’ brother, recently posted this on Instagram, with the caption “#OnceAgain”:




228 comments
angelbx
angelbx

The knicks got me to the point this year that i cant watch anymore.. And i watched every game of the isiah and fat eddy era... So that tells you, This is possibly the worst season so far in a longgggggg time.. I was completely fooled. I honestly thought we would beat the pacers this year, get second seed again, and finally get that dream match up vs Miami, BOY WAS I FREAKING STUPID...

rgm891
rgm891

Bloggers gone wild!!!!!! This blog is going bananas haha.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

Before the Knicks' upcoming road trip through Texas:

12/31: Atlanta at Boston (1:00 PM), Brooklyn at San Antonio (7:00 PM), Toronto at Chicago (7:00 PM)

1/1: Philadelphia at Denver (9:00 PM)


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KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

in pretty much all our losses we've been out rebounded. Welcome Jeremy Tyler.

1harris1
1harris1

At least the Knicks did the right thing in cutting Chris Smith.  Dolan very easily could have ordered Aldrich to be waived since he never plays, despite the coaches apparently having lobbied for him to stay. 


Actually, between cutting Smith and not giving in to Toronto's demand for a first round pick in exchange for Lowry, Dolan has made a couple of wise moves. Maybe there's hope.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

NYC Fans will surely accept a rebuilding team so as long as the team plays hard and with some smarts each game. We can accept losing so as long as there is some plan in place to hopefully move us forward.


Anything else  is just nonsense and peddling the owner's marketing blurb to just fill seats on a bogus promise that we are always just a few wins or a player from a tittle.


We are NY, We like tough teams that play hard and defend the home court.

bigdishing
bigdishing

I can't believe that JR is so tone deaf to post that. These guys are in a world of their own. I actually really liked JR in Denver and last year here, but he has imploded big time. 

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@Kiyan Carter You're cool but you've been saying some crazy stuff lately. Most people were fans of the Knicks before Dolan? Why would they become okc fans? I'm going to attribute this latest one to the Knicks driving you crazy with their play lol.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Kiyan Carter  

"And for ppl that continue to say dolan is a dummy think about this. He makes more money then everyone on this blog combined x 10."

Yes, shame on those of us who weren't born into extravagant wealth and had to work our way up the ladder.  Shame we're not as "smart" as Dolan, lol.  What makes Dolan "dumb" is that he has tried build the Knicks into a contender in NY and has failed for nearly his entire tenure as owner (I guess last year makes him 1/13?)

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@akamarb Better to judge the comments, not the commenter.  A lot of commenter credibility would go out the window if we went off what was said in the past (shout out to those who thought Bargnani was a steal and Grunwald was a genius).

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Sandro Guedes The funny thing is that unlike Phoenix, if NY had the same set of young talent, they would additionally be a far greater FA draw (unlike the small-market teams for whom free agency signings are not an option).  Re-building through the draft does not preclude a team from making a big FA splash - the Knicks are one of the NBA's few teams with the ability to pull off both.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieSmalls 

As long as he has Melo. Dolan needs to find out if Melo will resign. If he is going not not only opt out, but head on out, he will have no option to trade his prime superstar. It's all on Melo.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@BiggieSmalls  

"Fans who claim they would put up with a five year rebuilding are the same ones who complained when we traded zbo and Crawford."

Wrong.

But right on with Dolan.  Too bad nobody asked him to spend $1B on a renovation. Corporate $, all that counts.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@1harris1Hope the very last item to exit pandoras box, after all chaos and misery had befallen the world. Our Knicks world can only be so fortunate that this season may be the end of a long terrible storm.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@xmenreturn  "We like tough teams that play hard and defend the home court. "

Ding ding ding!  We're still waiting on that team . . . then again it's only been 13 years (but we're "impatient", lol)  

Reality is that us true NY fans don't matter to Dolan - just the corporate big-wigs that fill MSG's lower levels.

1harris1
1harris1

@bigdishing Check back with him in a couple of hours after he's had a few.  He won' even remember who Chris Smith is.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@orlando_knickfanIn that case root for J.R. to get his groove back and for the Knicks to do some winning in the process. Can't sell J.R. off with his value still on th elow side.

bigdishing
bigdishing

@orlando_knickfan He can't be traded until Jan 15. And we'd have to give someone a pick just to take him at this point. 

rgm891
rgm891

Hahaha most definately man. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes.

1harris1
1harris1

@Knicks_Fanatic@BiggieSmalls I'm one who doesn't see him leaving, regardless of how the season turns out.  Carmelo obviously structured his contract to have an opt out so that he can maximize his earnings potential.  That's what this is all about.  It has nothing to do with a concern over playing in NY.  Whether one believes that giving him 130 million at a time when he turns 31 is not a good idea is another story (and a point that certainly can be more than fairly debated), but I'd be very surprised if he's playing for another team next year. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@DolanitisDr LOL   The thing is we don't need overpaid superstars to do that.  A bunch of young hungry players can do this.  It's total nonsense that we fans won't accept a 5 year or so plan to get us to the top so as long as we see progress and players playing with passion and smarts.  OH yeah, that requires having a coach that can adjust, teach and hold players accountable

solar_lion
solar_lion

@bigdishing@orlando_knickfanAt this point a pick would be required to trade J.R. or a package deal including either Shumpert (low value but more productive +/- per minutes than Smith on the game logs). I wouldn't give up a first rounder to get rid of him. Perhaps it's better to put J.R. in his place, as a hot/cold short leash player off the bench. If he doesn't like it then opt out. Off course that course of action doesn't have to be absent of class. Changing the culture of an organization means doing things professionally even when that involves applying a shorter leash on too loose a cannon.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@BiggieSmalls ???? Purpose of a blog is to make posts and have discussions agree or disagree. Too many of you personalize. If we want to discuss irrational posts, we start with yours. This team is in complete disarray and you are posting the opposite, that fans that see this are haters. Look in the mirror before you make those kinds of accusations. Do I agree with Sandro, sometimes yes, sometimes no. If you think he is wrong call him on the post, and tell him why. don`t get personal, we don`t know each other on that level  

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@BiggieSmalls  That is why I used the words "options".  Phoenix CAN go over the cap if they want to.  Will Sarver?  Probably not.  But the options DO exist for them.  Yes, the Knicks COULD let everyone walk for the same space, but would NOT have the existing players on rookie contracts or draft picks moving forward (the Knicks don't have their 2016 pick, while the Suns have 2-4 2014 1st-rounders and 2015 Lakers pick in addition to their own.)


We know all too well how bad ownership can negatively influence the on-court product.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@BiggieSmalls  "And by just doing a little more creative finagling to reduce cap number even further, the Suns could offer a mini-max contract to a free agent small forward or power forward (whichever hole remains after the draft) to pair with a re-signed Eric Bledsoe and the returning young core."

From  http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/11/2/5059960/phoenix-suns-capology-update-lots-of-recent-activity-still-adds-up-to


The same options do not exist for NY (it honestly baffles me that you believe this to be the case).  Even if the Suns eat away at their cap space by re-signing their young pieces, the Suns will still have the assets to trade for a max player, given their draft pick stash.  The contracts will only help in matching $.  So building through the draft, the trade, and free agency are all options for the Suns - who have the assets other teams covet (young talent, multiple draft picks in upcoming drafts).  


The Knicks don't have similar assets and will not have similar options via the draft or trade.  Shump's value is going down the tubes.  Nobody wants to touch JR, Amar'e, Bargnani, or Ray.  Even Chandler, who may be valued by certain teams, will be 32 years old next season, and may be on the verge of breaking down.  Only Hardaway Jr. and the 2018 pick remain.  The Knicks have almost no margin for error if the objective is building a contender.  Making the playoffs is proving challenging enough with this group.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@BiggieSmalls ...minus the existing nucleus of talent (Dragic, Bledsoe, Morris)and draft picks.  

I just can't believe the lengths I have to go to explain such evident concepts.  I have to assume you're just trolling me.  Shame on me for responding to your trolling; lesson learned.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@BiggieSmalls The point is that Phoenix CAN pursue the 2015 cap space plan IF they want to.  There are several variables, but the point is that multiple options exist for them moving forward. (Though they likely won't, as a small-market team).  The ball is in Phoenix's court.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Sandro Guedes @BiggieSmalls 

Biggie seems to understand the CBA rules extremely well (basketball... not so much).  Which is why I find it so bizarre that he denounces the value of draft picks, in contrast to nearly every sensible NBA mind and good NBA GM.


I do what I can, but the Dolanitis pandemic continues to spread...

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@BiggieSmalls They will have at least $13M in cap space in 2014 even AFTER cap holds for Bledsoe, Tucker, and draft picks are taken into account, and will have lots of flexibility come summer of 2015 (depending on what they do henceforth, as only Dragic is on the books for 2015-2016).

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @DolanitisDr You want a chip, yes? I would like another chip during my life time. Carmelo is not part of the problem, but could be part of the solution IMO. This is where we disagree. The question that will work itself out is whether the Suns have the talent to win the West, and then get through the Pacers or the Heat. Our situation is different. This franchise is not in a rebuild city. It is in a win now city. The problem is we do not have the management to facilitate either methodology. This franchise is saddled with an owner that is controlled by marketing people, agents and stubbornness. Does he know how to make money, yes, build a winning team no. Note Dolan meets with the team, and every player and coach comes out with prepared statements to answer questions. We don`t switch, that is the most egregious one.  

1harris1
1harris1

@akamarb You could be a fan if you think that the best thing long term for a team is if it hits rock bottom (hence.  rooting for the team to lose).  Long term perspective is all that matters if you don't thing the team that you root for is any good in the present, and that by bottoming out, changes will be made.


The betting part is funny to me.  I couldn't do it, but it's good to know that somebody is having some fun during this miserable season.


Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Sandro Guedes@DolanitisDr 

The word "star" is really just a word. 

A backcourt of Dragic and Bledsoe could be the best in the NBA. Maybe they aren't calles stars. but name me a better pair. They will win you many games.

Chris
Chris

@Knicks_Fanatic @1harris1 That true. It is also true that every team sans Knicks were afraid of his knees. It seems they were more concerned with filling the house for a year then building a chip team

1harris1
1harris1

@Knicks_Fanatic@BiggieSmalls Or maybe it wasn't Rich Paul. But it was one of LeBron's buddies that was involved in the process at the time.  I remember that Tommy Dee was all over it.

1harris1
1harris1

@Knicks_Fanatic@BiggieSmalls That's right!  And then there was the story that the day before Lebron announced his "decision", Rich Paul was supposedly seen somewhere within MSG's executive offices over a period of several hours..  Hmmm, wonder how that went?  I guess not well enough.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieSmalls  

I googled it...

LeBron James has left talent agency CAA, which represented the NBA superstar in negotiating his basketball contracts including the six-year, $110 million deal he signed with the Miami Heat in 2010.

James is joining a new sports agency headed by his childhood friend Rich Paul, a former CAA agent who has also departed the agency. 

The Miami Heat small forward had been represented by CAA's Leon Rose for the past seven years. Paul, whose new company is called Klutch Sports Management, joined CAA in 2008.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/risky-business/lebron-james-leaves-caa-370147

1harris1
1harris1

@BiggieSmalls Yeah, that's probably true.  How could James have respected that fraud who cared nothing about defensive basketball?  Walsh probably should have hired Mark Jackson; but to be fair, MSG is a tough place for a rookie coach (especially with a bad team), even for a guy who grew up in NY.



Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieSmalls 

Wasn't LeBron with CAA back at that time? I wonder if CAA was trying to steer LeBron to NYC and gave us the impression, they could make it happen.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@1harris1 

People forget how good Amar'e was prior to his knees failing. He was second team All-NBA his first year in here and the year before that. 

1harris1
1harris1

@BiggieSmalls LOL!  Somewhere the Honorable HaS is smiling.


That was the one thing with Walsh: all of these moves were designed to have enough cap space to bring in another star to further entice LeBron to come to NY.  Walsh clearly felt that he had it on good authority that LeBron would seriously consider the Knicks (a lot of folks thought he was coming).  Walsh knew though that James wasn't coming to NY without having a legitimate star to play with.  D. Lee wasn't going to get it done for LeBron.  And remember, during LeBron's last season in Cleveland (at the time of the trading deadline), Ferry almost traded for Amar'e  When the trade talks became known at that time, the word was that LeBron was telling people that if the Cavs got Amar'e, he would commit to staying in Cleveland. So Amar'e was a star player that LeBron respected.


It didn't work out, but at least we knew what Walsh was trying to do.  It's very easy to criticize after the fact. 



BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@BiggieSmalls  When did I ever say that?!? Son, you need to work on your reading comprehension. 

You asked where I was at during the Crawford/Z-Bo years, and I implied I was supporting a very bad Knicks team in the midst of a rebuild.  Goodness gracious.

therealprof
therealprof

@orlando_knickfan Save Bargs for a draft night package for Jeff Teague, who will certainly be tired of perpetual mediocrity. Convince Amare to opt out and take a reduced contract - long term office job afterwards.