Knicks playing big in third consecutive win

Harris Decker

There’s one major thing that’s changed for the Knicks since March 2nd when the Knicks were blown out by the Chicago Bulls. The Knicks are finally changing their strategy and playing big. Last season and through most of this year, Mike Woodson ran out a very small lineup. What worked so well for the Knicks in 2012-13 has not worked this year.

Amar'e Stoudemire

Without Jason Kidd, the front court of Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni, Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith and Tim Hardaway Jr. has been a huge disapointment. Still, Woodson trotted the same group out there day after day, playing the small ball that won them 54 games a season ago.

Against the Detroit Pistons, one day after the blowout, Woodson decided to change his strategy. He sat Shumpert and Prigioni, starting Felton and Smith at the guard spots and giving Amare Stoudemire his second start of the season. That shift, playing Anthony at the 3 and Tyson Chandler at the 5 allowed the Knicks to play a bigger, more bruising style of basketball, instead of relying on outside shooters who had been cold all year.

That change has ignited the Knicks. After losing to the Pistons, they have rattled off three straight wins and look to be having a lot more fun on the court. The fun was on display against the Cavaliers last night. Stoudemire turned in a double-double with 17 points and 12 rebounds. Of those rebounds, half of them came on offense, where he and Chandler bullied the young Cleveland front court.

Chandler is also playing better in the new setup. He’s getting more rebounds and being a lot more aggressive on offense. He has turned in three straight double-doubles. The play of the bigs is capped off by Anthony who is doing what he does. He’s scoring the ball and pulling down rebound after rebound. This setup is a recipe to win in New York and despite being outside the playoff picture at the moment, you can feel the momentum building for the Knicks.




156 comments
xmenreturn
xmenreturn

For 2nd game, now you will see some defense! 

newyorker9
newyorker9

it's about damn time we get to see a good basketball game on a sunday

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

Shump's defensive discipline would be on par with Jimmy Butler with a better coach/teacher.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

In the Clutch, LBJ was tasking it to the hoop but he got stripped. If that was Melo it would be a perimeter jumper.  Either way, you've got to execute but taking it to the hoop strongly has more things that can go right even if you don't make it.  Good defensive play by the Bulls!

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

You gotta love that Van Gundy knew exactly what play the heat were going to run.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk The same thing you see in Melo.  Walsh and Dolan saw scoring and a litany of excuses why he didn't get to the NBA Finals.

They both were out saying Pringles would have mad eit to the Finals if it were for STATues being inured or his players just didn't make their shots or the other team was just a little better at scoring more pts.

There's an excuse always available in NY.  There's natural gas and fracking in WV and there's an abundance of excuses here. 

Sandro
Sandro

@zdiddy4nyk

D'Antoni was NBA coach of the year in 2005, after a 62-20 season.
D'Antoni's Phoenix won 50+ games in four consecutive seasons.
D'Antoni led the Suns to 2 consecutive WCF's in 2005 and 2006.

That's not a bad resume.

He was a big name in 2008, so much that the Bulls wanted him as well.
And you know NY is about big names.

I can't blame Walsh for signing D'Antoni.
No one knew that those Suns team was all on Nash, at the time.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@zdiddy4nyk  We were so close to escaping from D'Antoni too...remember Chicago wanted D'Antoni back then and had to "settle" for Thibs as their back-up choice...they were lucky.  


Shame on Walsh for bringing that culture and style of play to NY.  That's not what we want to see.

Sandro
Sandro

@carl hill

"He's a scrub that got kicked out of Indiana and Toronto...no, thanks"

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk @xmenreturnI blame Melo for throwing thre ball to JJ at the very key monent of the playoff game. None of those Pringles teams were expected to win a ring or even contend.  My. pt is about b-ball IO.

I would not throw that ball to JJ even if an earthquake struck in that moment and the the entire Celtics team fell down. An easy layup for JJ is a major challenge in itself.  You have to know your personnel and be ready for that moment because everybody in the USA knew the Celtics would leave JJ free and double Melo to try to get the ball out of his hands.  The decision needed to be quick and decisive but not to JJ.

Sandro
Sandro

@xmenreturn

For how many will the Lakers lose this one... under/over 50?

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@newyorker9  

And here on TKB some told us "nobody wants to watch low-scoring defensive games...you can't win like the 90s Knicks anymore"

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter Howard has digressed imo. in his last years in Orlando, he was developing a nice low post game.  I have no idea where that went. I think Kove messed with his head for sure. 

Noah maybe becoming the best center as well

Sandro
Sandro

@SheSaidSpikeWho

Well... I know exactly what play the Knicks are going to run at every last possession of a tied game. Gotta love me?

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Sandro Yep and many here were fouled by Pringles.  Dude sold NY fairy dust b-ball and there lot of people here were defending him to the very end. They were telling call me  this and that and why I hates chips in a can!  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk @xmenreturnLOL Yep They both are an issue. There's a reason why Pringles can't get to the NBA Finals too. As you play better teams, defense will surely become a key at some pt.  The opposing team will get a stop in key moments and Pringles teams rarely do

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Sandro @xmenreturnLOl They will lose by 25 unless OKC gets a big lead early and pull their starters,. Then the Lakers will lose by 13.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@StraightShot I appreciate that far more than high-scoring, no defense games. Those are the boring games to me. That's for the children and new-comers to the game. Give me low-scoring, high-intensity, defense filled games like this any day. 

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Sandro @SheSaidSpikeWho  

Kawhi will probably be underrated for the rest of his career because defensive versatility is not really as "marketable" as 20+ PPG, and he just doesn't talk, lol.  NBA loves PG though.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@Sandro @SheSaidSpikeWho  I love Butler. I like Paul George a lot but lately, I think he has been trying to be a superstar to the detriment of his team. Kawhi, I absolutely LOVE. I love everything about his game from his demeanor to his play on the court. I can't wait to see what he blossoms into. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk @xmenreturnThat's my pt. Why would Melo want to wait and give away another prime year for a gamble the following year when it will still be hard for Phil to make that move to get top help,

i truly don't think he can attract LBJ with Melo. LBJ is friend with Melo but I think he would want to have this be his own team and bring over his guys since h was already done the join with Wade team thing.

If I was Melo, I would surely opt out for Chicago or even Miami.  Not La though. Kobe will kill Melo. Kobe is getting older and more injured but no way is he relinquishing the top dog mantel to Melo.  Howard found that out. Howard even demand that Kobe not be resigned for him to stay.  I give him credit for that. 

KG got the Wolves to the WCF Final too I beleive, Same as Melo!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk @xmenreturnDude, Boston gave up alot for KG and when KG came to Boston he was the missing piece in the middle that played defense and could score some. KG was a leader.

Also, Boston had Allen and Pierce and Rondo (2nd year). 

What would Phil have to do to get Melo these types of players next year?  

Now ask yourself which GM would help give Phil this?

That's why Melo does not make sense and he needs to leave to go for his ring like LBJ.. Ain't happen here anytime soon.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@zdiddy4nyk @StraightShot  

Yes - D'Antoni will get a lot of credit for player "development" ,but his type of offensive development is just offensive stat padding from more possessions and more focus on jump shooting.  

He does not develop players defensively AT ALL.

Sandro
Sandro

@Kiyan Carter

Funny how this story would make so much sense with Chandler and Woodson...

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk YES it is. He pass it to the worsr offensive guy on our team and that was the Celtics plan when they left the hurdle.  So who got their way.?

Man, you guys are out of control. lol You really think it's smart b-ball to allow another team to take the ball out of your best player to be passed to the worst player?  SMH

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk LOL Think about it. You star player is to give up the ball to the worse offensive player on the planet!  

No wonder we are doomed. 

I can see Phil telling MJ the ball must go to Rodman in that moment.  Phil would have had much legs rings and a ring around his neck.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@StraightShot Sure he can. Did you hear that Prinlges stated after the game that he drew up the play for JJ/  Either he was lying to cover Melo or what.

 However, if I was Melo and a coached called for JJ to take the last shot in my first playoff here,  I would do a Spreewell on him. I played my butt off the entire season for a dummy coach to have the worse player on the team get the key shot call?  YKES

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk YIKES! LBJ passed the ball the correct players on his Cavs team then It's just that they didn't deliver int he Finals against the Spurs. 

Finding your best shooters on your teams is not saying they will be able to make the shot.  Finding your worse shooter on your team in the clutch is just DUMB B-all. 

There is no way around that period. 

 You keep going back to excuses for Melo. I may no excuses for LBJ in that he needed to do the same when he played for the Cavs. All he can do is make the play himself or find his best team mates that can do something good with the ball.  Nothing more.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@xmenreturn @StraightShot  

"the coach has to draw up a play where Melo will not get the ball initially and have Melo run off a screen to get the ball for himself and etc, "


Well I agree w that part, but Melo can't do anything about the playcall..

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter The the ball goes to Bill Walker and not JJ.  Melo can't make better players on his team but he can utilize the best players that he has. 

If he does not do that then teams will always force the ball out of hand and leave the worse player often to make the decision in the clutch. Come on guys, this is 101 -ball here. . YIKES

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@StraightShot Sometimes I wonder who here as played organized b-ball in high school or college.

When you KNOW the double is coming and he and everyone should have known that, then you plan for it. 

Melo has to either find his best shooters or take it himself OR the coach has to draw up a play where Melo will not get the ball initially and have Melo run off a screen to get the ball for himself and etc,

 No way in hell do you allow for the opposing team to make you get the ball out of your best shooters hand to the worse shooter on the planet.  That low-IQ b-ball period.

Top players get doubled all the time and they know they have to make a quick move or decision before the double gets there.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@xmenreturn @zdiddy4nyk  

x, I have to disagree with you here...do you really think Melo shooting over a double-team is a higher quality look than Jeffries (yes, even JJ) under the hoop? Melo shoots in the mid-40s overall....over a double-team that probably drops to below 40%.  Jeffries is in the NBA and has to be trusted to catch that pass and put it in.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk Nor True dude. No one does that. In key moments of the game, you go with your best players unless that player is totally all alone for a dunk and then you need to be very sure. 

LBJ passes the ball all over during the game but in key moments he looks for those that can do something with the ball if he doesn't take it himself. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk No way in hell would LBJ find the worst guy on the team to pass it to in that Key moment.  LBJ would make a quick move to either take it himself to the hoop or find his shooters on the team. 


Even we they lost to the NBA Finals, LBJ was feeding the so called best shooter on his team and they were playing totally scared

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter LOl If you think that was the right play then your boy Melo will never win a ring.  Did you see MJ throwing the ball to Rodman in the key moment of the game and not Paxton, Kerr, Pippen and etc? 

Melo didn't have all stars on his team but you have to find your best players on the team or take it yourself.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk LOL So everybody on the court is equal opportunity in the key moments?  You can't be serious! I didn't say we should have won the game, I'm saying we played dumb ball in that situation and in those moments against good teams, that can be the difference always. 

Some of you keep trying to minimize good decision making and b-ball IQ.  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter I know that but that has no effect on knowing the situation ahead of time and being able to make a quick good decision or move before the double.

He and our coach should have known that the celtics would try to get the ball out of Melo's hands. 

Either the coach draws up a play where Melo does not get the ball initially so that he has to move or cut to get it or they trust him to make the right decision.

Boston decided JJ should get the ball and Melo agreed!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter I disagree. I have had decent coaches and the thing there is that you have to expect the double and make be very decisive 9quickly) in your move. Melo waite until the double came and he was forced to pass it to the first guy he saw open which was JJ. 

Celtics - Plan Mission Accomplished.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk @xmenreturn He smile all the time so he can do that so as long as we win.  I just don't think he's right for this team with our circumstance.  He really should go to Chicago or Miami if he wants a ring.

He won't win one with a injured Kobe and Pringles in LA either.  

We need leadership period!

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@SheSaidSpikeWho @StraightShot  

Amen. What's the value in a basket if you didn't have to earn it?

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter Even you know that's not a winning formula for your forward to be just a perimeter player in the clutch. T-Mac and Vince Carter does that! 

Your forward has to figure out how to get to the line or make the defense make a great play in those moments. 

It should always be about  your forward being able to play high pct b-ball in the clutch.  Like the other 2, I mention, this is what hurts their teams in the clutch.

Sandro
Sandro

@Kiyan Carter

I think he has the potential to be, as does Wiggins.

But I also think that he is not in the NBA right now, so it might never happen.

Sandro
Sandro

@Kiyan Carter

So, he's not a NBA player, but he'll be a Star in it, is that what you're saying?

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Sandro @StraightShot @SheSaidSpikeWho  

Heh, unfortunately he definitely won't be underrated by the Spurs...they know true value and he will be there a long time