Knicks playing big in third consecutive win

Harris Decker

There’s one major thing that’s changed for the Knicks since March 2nd when the Knicks were blown out by the Chicago Bulls. The Knicks are finally changing their strategy and playing big. Last season and through most of this year, Mike Woodson ran out a very small lineup. What worked so well for the Knicks in 2012-13 has not worked this year.

Amar'e Stoudemire

Without Jason Kidd, the front court of Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni, Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith and Tim Hardaway Jr. has been a huge disapointment. Still, Woodson trotted the same group out there day after day, playing the small ball that won them 54 games a season ago.

Against the Detroit Pistons, one day after the blowout, Woodson decided to change his strategy. He sat Shumpert and Prigioni, starting Felton and Smith at the guard spots and giving Amare Stoudemire his second start of the season. That shift, playing Anthony at the 3 and Tyson Chandler at the 5 allowed the Knicks to play a bigger, more bruising style of basketball, instead of relying on outside shooters who had been cold all year.

That change has ignited the Knicks. After losing to the Pistons, they have rattled off three straight wins and look to be having a lot more fun on the court. The fun was on display against the Cavaliers last night. Stoudemire turned in a double-double with 17 points and 12 rebounds. Of those rebounds, half of them came on offense, where he and Chandler bullied the young Cleveland front court.

Chandler is also playing better in the new setup. He’s getting more rebounds and being a lot more aggressive on offense. He has turned in three straight double-doubles. The play of the bigs is capped off by Anthony who is doing what he does. He’s scoring the ball and pulling down rebound after rebound. This setup is a recipe to win in New York and despite being outside the playoff picture at the moment, you can feel the momentum building for the Knicks.





188 comments
doc942
doc942

Is that the regular season home opener or pre-season home opener?  Just wondering.

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Brian Bradley
Brian Bradley

So just for the sake of curiosity, what does it take to get weber from the preds? If you start with okposo, hickey and maybe frans? Does Nsh gm laugh at that? Honestly I think it could be close. Maybe even add in the lesser of barzal/beauvillier.

My feeling is we have the depth and scoring ability at forward to handle the loss of 21 & 51. Then it leaves our d so stacked and contracted for years. Cap hit would be less, due to the raises coming for KO and FN.

Weber Leddy

Boychuk Hamonic

Pulock DeHaan

Then everyone's two favorite dmen, hickey and strait are long gone. Mayfield, pelech, etc as no. 7

Thoughts? Adjustments to trade? Feasibility?

vegasvic
vegasvic

Interesting. Have to think about that.

primus
primus

Brian, that trade would've been very possible a couple years ago when both Frans and KO had extremely cap friendly deals. They are now both in the last year of their contracts so that hurts their value. As far as Hickey and Strait, they are very movable pieces because of their contracts but you still aren't getting a Webber type player back for them.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@Brian Bradley i dont think this is realistic at all.  offense just isnt much of a need for them with some of the young guys they've drafted and acquired via trade. if they lose shea weber, they are instantly a weaker team, regardless of what forwards they add from moving him.  defense is what wins championships and shea weber is one of the best in the game in the middle of his prime at a time where the predators are poised to make a run for the cup. it would take a guy like tavares to trade for weber and that is obviously not an option. 

Don22
Don22

@slapshot18_rs @Brian Bradley I actually don't think the Isles can do this trade.  I'm not sure exactly how much payroll is going back to the Preds, but almost 8 mil in cap space and 14 actual payroll is probably too steep for the Isles.  That contract can hurt them in 2 - 3 years when they have a few more UFA/RFA to resign.


I don't know.  The Yashin and DP contracts make me leery of anything that large.


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Brian Bradley
Brian Bradley

Part of the appeal was that while his cap hit remains around 7.5, his salary is 14 this year, then 12, 6, 6. If I remember correctly

csh205
csh205

Brooklyn is Greenpoint and Neil Diamond not the Islanders.

chrisredux
chrisredux

The real countdown is when they return to Nassau

rmbbanned2
rmbbanned2

@primus Yep- the redesign makes it an AHL arena. But folks keep holding out hope..

vegasvic
vegasvic

You must believe in Santa Claus as well. Helllllllooooooooo Brooklyn. GOODBYE HIGH TAXING LONG ISLAND.

primus
primus

Gotta get a pro level arena first, then we can talk about that being a possibility, until then not even worth discussing or bringing up.

Mike T.
Mike T.

@primus Yep, build, or re-build, a pro level arena in line with today's standards, (which, by the way, I was all for), which they would have done if Kate Murray had not parked her fat rump in the way, and there is something to talk about.  Until then, I'll enjoy the 25 minute subway trip from work and let others complain about obstructed views.

justin m
justin m

STILL GONNA SUCK GETTING THERE.  OH AND IT WAS JUST FANTASTIC SPENDING 900.00 FOR 3 TICKETS TO THE HOME OPENER.  WELCOME TO NYC PRICES LONG ISLANDERS

rmbbanned2
rmbbanned2

@justin m $900 for 3 seats.. 

A) Why?

B) Dont complain- nobody held a gun to your head..

vegasvic
vegasvic

Chris it seems like your having a hard time. LOL

vegasvic
vegasvic

Justin. How are those high taxes in LI. Let me know how that feels.

kevinpt
kevinpt

@justin m If you're going to complain about it, why pay that much then? I don't understand. If you're against the move to Brooklyn, then why support it by paying that much money?

isles
isles

@justin m O MY GOD 9 hunderd dollars... you must have money to burn 

isles
isles

@justin m O MY GOD... 9 HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR TIX. .are you nuts lol  

primus
primus

Looking forward to Brooklyn but not as much as a I am a great season from the isles!

WestCoastFan
WestCoastFan

Awesome... 156 Knicks comments right off the hopper lol. I guess that's appropriate for reflecting on opening night in the basketball gym...

jethrono9
jethrono9

@WestCoastFan And why is there no Islanders post's on the Knicks thread? Can this blog sink any lower, for incompetence? If the Isles are looking for a new Zamboni driver the owners of this blog should be looking for a new person to run it.

@jethrono9 @WestCoastFan I guess what's really interesting is that EVERY SNY blog is complaining about this same issue, for at least the last 4-6 months.  The level of incompetence to not fix this obvious of a bug is mind-boggling.  It's not like it's a 1 man shop running the blogs anymore.  Them all being SNY blogs, how the hell can they not get a freaking programmer involved to fix the issue once and for all across their blogs?  There is no answer I can fathom. 

StraightShot
StraightShot

@zdiddy4nyk  We were so close to escaping from D'Antoni too...remember Chicago wanted D'Antoni back then and had to "settle" for Thibs as their back-up choice...they were lucky.  


Shame on Walsh for bringing that culture and style of play to NY.  That's not what we want to see.

Sandro
Sandro

@zdiddy4nyk

D'Antoni was NBA coach of the year in 2005, after a 62-20 season.
D'Antoni's Phoenix won 50+ games in four consecutive seasons.
D'Antoni led the Suns to 2 consecutive WCF's in 2005 and 2006.

That's not a bad resume.

He was a big name in 2008, so much that the Bulls wanted him as well.
And you know NY is about big names.

I can't blame Walsh for signing D'Antoni.
No one knew that those Suns team was all on Nash, at the time.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Sandro Yep and many here were fouled by Pringles.  Dude sold NY fairy dust b-ball and there lot of people here were defending him to the very end. They were telling call me  this and that and why I hates chips in a can!  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk The same thing you see in Melo.  Walsh and Dolan saw scoring and a litany of excuses why he didn't get to the NBA Finals.

They both were out saying Pringles would have mad eit to the Finals if it were for STATues being inured or his players just didn't make their shots or the other team was just a little better at scoring more pts.

There's an excuse always available in NY.  There's natural gas and fracking in WV and there's an abundance of excuses here. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk @xmenreturnDude, Boston gave up alot for KG and when KG came to Boston he was the missing piece in the middle that played defense and could score some. KG was a leader.

Also, Boston had Allen and Pierce and Rondo (2nd year). 

What would Phil have to do to get Melo these types of players next year?  

Now ask yourself which GM would help give Phil this?

That's why Melo does not make sense and he needs to leave to go for his ring like LBJ.. Ain't happen here anytime soon.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk @xmenreturnThat's my pt. Why would Melo want to wait and give away another prime year for a gamble the following year when it will still be hard for Phil to make that move to get top help,

i truly don't think he can attract LBJ with Melo. LBJ is friend with Melo but I think he would want to have this be his own team and bring over his guys since h was already done the join with Wade team thing.

If I was Melo, I would surely opt out for Chicago or even Miami.  Not La though. Kobe will kill Melo. Kobe is getting older and more injured but no way is he relinquishing the top dog mantel to Melo.  Howard found that out. Howard even demand that Kobe not be resigned for him to stay.  I give him credit for that. 

KG got the Wolves to the WCF Final too I beleive, Same as Melo!

StraightShot
StraightShot

@zdiddy4nyk @StraightShot  

Yes - D'Antoni will get a lot of credit for player "development" ,but his type of offensive development is just offensive stat padding from more possessions and more focus on jump shooting.  

He does not develop players defensively AT ALL.

Sandro
Sandro

@carl hill

"He's a scrub that got kicked out of Indiana and Toronto...no, thanks"

StraightShot
StraightShot

@Kiyan Carter  Pau really can't stand the dude, lol

Sandro
Sandro

@Kiyan Carter

Funny how this story would make so much sense with Chandler and Woodson...

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk @xmenreturnI blame Melo for throwing thre ball to JJ at the very key monent of the playoff game. None of those Pringles teams were expected to win a ring or even contend.  My. pt is about b-ball IO.

I would not throw that ball to JJ even if an earthquake struck in that moment and the the entire Celtics team fell down. An easy layup for JJ is a major challenge in itself.  You have to know your personnel and be ready for that moment because everybody in the USA knew the Celtics would leave JJ free and double Melo to try to get the ball out of his hands.  The decision needed to be quick and decisive but not to JJ.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter I disagree. I have had decent coaches and the thing there is that you have to expect the double and make be very decisive 9quickly) in your move. Melo waite until the double came and he was forced to pass it to the first guy he saw open which was JJ. 

Celtics - Plan Mission Accomplished.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter I know that but that has no effect on knowing the situation ahead of time and being able to make a quick good decision or move before the double.

He and our coach should have known that the celtics would try to get the ball out of Melo's hands. 

Either the coach draws up a play where Melo does not get the ball initially so that he has to move or cut to get it or they trust him to make the right decision.

Boston decided JJ should get the ball and Melo agreed!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk LOL So everybody on the court is equal opportunity in the key moments?  You can't be serious! I didn't say we should have won the game, I'm saying we played dumb ball in that situation and in those moments against good teams, that can be the difference always. 

Some of you keep trying to minimize good decision making and b-ball IQ.  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk No way in hell would LBJ find the worst guy on the team to pass it to in that Key moment.  LBJ would make a quick move to either take it himself to the hoop or find his shooters on the team. 


Even we they lost to the NBA Finals, LBJ was feeding the so called best shooter on his team and they were playing totally scared

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter LOl If you think that was the right play then your boy Melo will never win a ring.  Did you see MJ throwing the ball to Rodman in the key moment of the game and not Paxton, Kerr, Pippen and etc? 

Melo didn't have all stars on his team but you have to find your best players on the team or take it yourself.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk Nor True dude. No one does that. In key moments of the game, you go with your best players unless that player is totally all alone for a dunk and then you need to be very sure. 

LBJ passes the ball all over during the game but in key moments he looks for those that can do something with the ball if he doesn't take it himself. 

StraightShot
StraightShot

@xmenreturn @zdiddy4nyk  

x, I have to disagree with you here...do you really think Melo shooting over a double-team is a higher quality look than Jeffries (yes, even JJ) under the hoop? Melo shoots in the mid-40s overall....over a double-team that probably drops to below 40%.  Jeffries is in the NBA and has to be trusted to catch that pass and put it in.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@StraightShot Sometimes I wonder who here as played organized b-ball in high school or college.

When you KNOW the double is coming and he and everyone should have known that, then you plan for it. 

Melo has to either find his best shooters or take it himself OR the coach has to draw up a play where Melo will not get the ball initially and have Melo run off a screen to get the ball for himself and etc,

 No way in hell do you allow for the opposing team to make you get the ball out of your best shooters hand to the worse shooter on the planet.  That low-IQ b-ball period.

Top players get doubled all the time and they know they have to make a quick move or decision before the double gets there.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter The the ball goes to Bill Walker and not JJ.  Melo can't make better players on his team but he can utilize the best players that he has. 

If he does not do that then teams will always force the ball out of hand and leave the worse player often to make the decision in the clutch. Come on guys, this is 101 -ball here. . YIKES

StraightShot
StraightShot

@xmenreturn @StraightShot  

"the coach has to draw up a play where Melo will not get the ball initially and have Melo run off a screen to get the ball for himself and etc, "


Well I agree w that part, but Melo can't do anything about the playcall..

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk YIKES! LBJ passed the ball the correct players on his Cavs team then It's just that they didn't deliver int he Finals against the Spurs. 

Finding your best shooters on your teams is not saying they will be able to make the shot.  Finding your worse shooter on your team in the clutch is just DUMB B-all. 

There is no way around that period. 

 You keep going back to excuses for Melo. I may no excuses for LBJ in that he needed to do the same when he played for the Cavs. All he can do is make the play himself or find his best team mates that can do something good with the ball.  Nothing more.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@StraightShot Sure he can. Did you hear that Prinlges stated after the game that he drew up the play for JJ/  Either he was lying to cover Melo or what.

 However, if I was Melo and a coached called for JJ to take the last shot in my first playoff here,  I would do a Spreewell on him. I played my butt off the entire season for a dummy coach to have the worse player on the team get the key shot call?  YKES

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk LOL Think about it. You star player is to give up the ball to the worse offensive player on the planet!  

No wonder we are doomed. 

I can see Phil telling MJ the ball must go to Rodman in that moment.  Phil would have had much legs rings and a ring around his neck.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk YES it is. He pass it to the worsr offensive guy on our team and that was the Celtics plan when they left the hurdle.  So who got their way.?

Man, you guys are out of control. lol You really think it's smart b-ball to allow another team to take the ball out of your best player to be passed to the worst player?  SMH