Over last two seasons, Knicks have thrived outside, faltered inside

Harris Decker

Over the past two seasons, the Knicks have ranked near the top of the league in 3-point shots taken and shots made. After being first in the league last year (in both attempts and makes), they have slipped to fifth place in attempts and seventh in makes from behind the arc. While that doesn’t seem like a huge slip, it’s important because of the way this team is playing offense.

novak475For two years now, the offense has been predicated on making a ton of shots from outside. This is important because of the absurdly low amount of shots they take and convert inside. Last season, they were ranked thirtieth in the league in shots made inside the arc and shot 49 percent from that distance. That was good for tenth in the league. This year, they’ve slipped to 48 percent shooting inside, good for seventeenth in the NBA.

Mike Woodson’s offense is predicated on a finite balance between inside and outside shots. When one slips, the other can not make up the difference. What you get when you do the math is a team that relies heavily on the outside shot because they have trouble getting and making shots closer to the basket.

Without a true 3-point specialist, it’s easy to see the difference. There were two guys last year that were knockdown shooters from behind the arc: Jason Kidd and Steve Novak. It was silly to think that Pablo Prigioni and Andrea Bargnani could pick up that slack. While Prigioni is shooting for a much higher percentage this year (46 percent) than Kidd did last year (35 percent) from behind the arc, Kidd took way more shots. Kidd ended last year having attempted 325 3′s while Prigioni will be lucky to crack 150 this year.

There’s another side to this coin. With the slip in percentage from behind the arc, players are continuing to shoot from out there. J.R. Smith is actually right on pace from last year from behind the arc but will take more than 100 less shots inside by the seasons end. Some of that is due to the time he missed with injuries but in the end, he’s taking less shots inside while taking a similar amount of shots outside.

In the end, this season will be seen as a massive failure and an offensive shift is on the horizon. The likely implementation of the triangle will change things for the better. It will be interesting to see which players president Phil Jackson believes can thrive in that system.




55 comments
JCOHEN68
JCOHEN68

if Chandler is Horace Grant, Amare is Cartwright, Melo is Jordan. Who's Pippen?

knickstape
knickstape

So does anyone think Bargnani could possibly fit well in a triangle offense?

lobcity1
lobcity1

This was bc we had Dantoni and Woodson who fell in love with his offense.

Pete Mavrikk
Pete Mavrikk

If all things go our way we could tie the hawks Friday night! Keep hope alive people, but it starts tonight against the Lakers.

rgm891
rgm891

We can't lose to Mike D'antoni can we?  Bring it home Phil.

dagawd
dagawd

I'm hearing some krazy stuff that Phil wants Pippen to coach if he's down for the challenge 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

It looks like Mark Jackson could be available.........

Warriors coach Mark Jackson forces reassignment of assistant Brian Scalabrine

Ownership and management have been strong advocates of Scalabrine and his performance on the job, sources told Yahoo Sports. Nevertheless, Warriors officials decided that as long as Jackson is the head coach, he'll have control of his coaching staff.

It is immediately unclear what kind of a role to which the Warriors will transition Scalabrine, but management has no intention of letting him leave the organization, sources said.

Over the past two years, Jackson's difficulty with managing his coaching staff and creating a functional work environment has developed into one of the issues that threatens his future on the job, league sources said.

Scalabrine, who joined the staff in July, was Jackson's choice as an assistant coach. For two straight years, Jackson has had issues with assistant coaches that he hired. Michael Malone and Jackson would go weeks without speaking to each other a year ago, league sources said. Malone left Golden State to become the head coach of the Sacramento Kings.

Jackson, in his third year at the helm of the Warriors, has one year left on his contract, but has come under increased scrutiny within the organization for how he has run the team and worked on the job. There have been no conversations about an extension for Jackson – nor are they expected to take place, sources said.

Jackson, 48, had tried and failed to get involved with several head-coaching openings over the past year, including the Los Angeles Clippers and Brooklyn Nets, league sources said. 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/warriors-coach-mark-jackson-forces-reassignment-of-assistant-brian-scalabrine-184142899.html

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

One of the reasons we take so few shots in the paint is that we never look to get out in transition and run. We have one of the slowest paces in the NBA, 28th and usually just walk the ball up court and allow the defense to setup. Woody hates turnovers and minimizes them by playing slow, slow, slow.

mel brown
mel brown

The more important factor is how few shots are taken in the paint.  Teams such as Miami, and OKC thrive In the paint.   When the Knicks begin to play inside-out then their offensive success and efficiency will improve.

upstater
upstater

He's not taking less shots, he's taking fewer shots. Try not to embarrass your high school English teacher.

tommy2b
tommy2b

I will immediately lose faith in Phil Jackson if Bargnani plays a single meaningful regular season minute for us next year.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Shump plays tonight Knicks get the W, Shump sits tonight , complete toss up, 1-7 without him.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

We have a poor coach and low -b-ball IQ players that always think perimeter all the time even when the game is on the line.   If you can't play decent team defense or play smart b-ball on offense where the ball and players move, you're not going to be a good consistent team regardless of the talent.  

buddhabing
buddhabing

Knicks are a soft team. Their play in the interior both offensively and defensively leaves a lot to be desired. It's almost like they have an aversion to physical contact. Pretty sure Jackson will address that in the off season. The softee era begun by D'Antoni and continued by Woodson is about to come to a welcomed end.

rico
rico

Notice also that when Stat has started the knicks have an inside game, and the Knicks are what 8-1?  Also T Hardaway Jr has picked up a lot of the slack lost with Kidd and Novak on 3's. Heck Novak didn't play much at all last year.  This is not a NEW WOODSON offense it's basically the same offense Dantoni ran, with alterations, meaning Melo can do whatever he wants.


But Biggie is correct "it;s the defense" that has been the problem.



rico
rico

It's not about fitting, it's learning and dedicating yourself to a system. The triangle doesn't make stops. There was no d last night, none. You can run 6 guys on offense if you don't stop the ither team, you lose...as we saw.

rico
rico

@rgm891  actually the Knicks have been god-aweful at defending the pick and roll, even when they have won.  If there is one thing  Dantoni can draw up like a master it's the pick and roll. 


Anybody's ballgame 

rico
rico

@dagawd  down for the challenge or up for the challenge

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

He doesn't run the triangle, he's out. Again Phil was trying to be kind by saying he would hire a coach that has a system, but if you read his book it will be a coach that runs the triangle.

mel brown
mel brown

@Jimmy BX jump shooting efficiency is paltry compared to scoring in the paint.  Scoring in the paint derives from fastbreaks, set plays in the paint, and offensive rebounding with put backs. 


The reason is not that they don't get the whistle, it's that they haven't established themselves as an offensive prowess in the paint.  They are known as a jump shooting team albeit a bad one.  This is predicated on the coach's offensive philosophy which is to shooting jumpshots and blaming every loss on missed shots..."we just didn't make shots".

tommy2b
tommy2b

Well, I'll temper that by saying - If his plan is to tank for a year, playing Bargnani as much as possible is a brilliant idea.

rico
rico

@Seth Nadler  we heard that about stat. we always lose when stat plays, that is until woody put him in the starting lineup.



knickstape
knickstape

@Buck50  I wouldn't count out a trade involving some combo of shump timmy, and Tyson i also feel like were going to go  after pau gasol

rgm891
rgm891

@firebaldy @dagawd Yeah and I am going to win the mega millions next week. Haha.  Would be awesome though, cant lie.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Seth Nadler  Yeah. I mean, why would someone not continue to do something that works? Somebody would have to be retarted to do that---enters Woody. LMAO!


mel brown
mel brown

@Sandro Guedes @OLDKNICK judgemental are ye....

I would take Felton over any of you non-ball playing clowns any day of the week. 

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Gasol is a free Agent, why would the lakers trade him for a contract

rico
rico

@Sandro Guedes @rico  coach is only as good as his players or the players that listen to him, accept his coaching.



buddhabing
buddhabing

He's a fugazy defensive specialist...lol...Kidding aside his defensive coaching was pretty good early last year before the vets tired out. It's hard to teach it when the students aren't willing and able.

Chris
Chris

@knickstape  The President gets dogged enough without it being done on a bball blog. 

rico
rico

@mel brown @Jimmy BX  If Melo and the rest of the squad (even the rookies) would stop crying to the refs for 60 minutes a night they might actually get some calls. If there is one thing the refs or anybody hates it's being told they are not doing their jobs and being bitched at for the whole game. The bitching whining and moaning has the opposite effect. You'd think that after how many years in the league Melo would know that.  And I'm a Melo fan but that behavior doesn't work, obviously