Poll: What would you do with the Knicks?

After Wednesday night’s loss to the 76ers, the Knicks continue to fall and seem to be further and further from a playoff birth this year. WFAN’s Joe & Evan raised an interesting poll question this morning and I wanted to see if our results would be similar to theirs. Here’s the question:

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Wicksell
Wicksell

What did Steven A. say about Woodson?

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

A few points:

1) this season is lost. Period. I have no interest in being an 7/8 seed and getting an early exit (and that's best case)

2) Woody needs to be fired immediately. Don't care about injuries. These are excuses. This team has massively underperformed vs talent/expectations and is routinely outcoached and unprepared. Even an interim stand-in is better if we can prevent our star from playing 40+ minutes and getting hurt. Also can't stunt development of younger guys and teach them not caring/trying is okay

3) Retool around Melo. I can't see us getting equal value for him, and our limited cap space gives little roster flexibility, so I think we need to work with him for now.

I don't buy into the Melo-bashing. There isn't one player in the league (not even LeBron) that transforms this sorry squad into a contender if he's swapped out for Melo. He's one of the only guys actually trying on a nightly basis and the only reason to watch if you're still watching

TheTrueStork
TheTrueStork

The Knicks are such a poorly constructed team, and I lay the blame at Dolan's feet, not that he cares.  At this point, I would be in favor of trading nearly anyone and everyone for a team that was well-constructed, where players cared about playing intense D.  They are too lazy too often, and I'm tired of the isolation plays.

natew
natew

Trading anyone and everyone is not a valid plan.  The only guys with trade value are Shump and Hardaway... and really they don't need more old guys in exchange for the only youth they have. 

rkj473
rkj473

I just listened to Woodson's interview with S.A.S and man does he sound like an idiot. Everyone knows the Knicks still have a shot at the playoffs, getting to the playoffs CANNOT be the goal for this team who was projected to be one of the top teams in the East. They should be playing much better than they current record is today. It's your job as a coach to play guys who give maximum effort out on the floor. Last night the lineup that tied the game and eventually gave the Knicks the lead were substituted for any never seen again because you wanted to put back you fat pg and watch him wobble at the top of the key.


A coach that is NOT willing to play players who are being successful on the court should not be allowed to coach. He talks about the 5-game winning streak, a big reason for that was the use of Beno and Toure backing him up, since Felton/ Chandler has returned the Knicks are 1-4/0-5 respectively yet they continue to receive starter minutes? I mean c'mon.


And it's really sad that he continues to use injuries as an excuse of the team's bad play. Sure the injuries have been a factor but every team has injuries. The team won 4 games without Felton, 5 without Chandler and they were just inserted back into the starting lineup and you have refused to go back to lineups that made the team successful at the beginning of 2014. Last yr the team had a winning streak of 13 games without Chandler, newsflash: THEY CAN WIN OR SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIN WITHOUT THE EXCUSE OF INJURIES!!! Your defense and your offensive sets are non-existent. If you had one of those the team would be winning ALOT more games than they are.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

Bargnani is out indefinitely with a torn ligament in his elbow.  This is getting bad...

dagawd
dagawd

The knicks will make the Playoffs and go deep............

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

People who don't want to trade Melo don't realize that Melo will not resign with us unless its for the max.  And if The Knicks do that, with him entering his 30s, the team will never be better than a second round exit if they are lucky.  Melo is a great player.  I believe he is in his prime and is a top 10 talent.  But he is mainly a scorer and rebounder.  This isn't a knock on him.  He's great at scoring and in the right system with the right players I believe he could win a title, although his window is closing.  But the Knicks do not have the draft picks to build a deep squad around him.  And even though they'll have some cap space, if Melo is making over 20 million a year, even with Chandler and Amare off the books, we'll only be able to get one more super star or "max" player.  Kevin Love is also a scorer.  Aldridge could be nice but Melo needs an elite PG.  The super team formula won't work in the new CBA.  Even Boston when they won a title had a great bench and role players and had Rondo on a cheap rookie contract.  They all ready had Pierce, Rondo, and that bench in place when they traded for Ray and KG.  Lebron is the best player in the league and they all took less to join up.


And why would Melo take less?  Its not like we're a playoff team now that only needs one or two more pieces to truly contend.  We need a whole new roster.  Even average centers get paid in the league.  So thinking we can just paid up Melo with K Love and Rondo or another elite PG and then fill out the team with ring chasing veterans is a pipe dream.  So the best thing to do is to trade Melo for a lesser star on a better/longer contract and/or some picks and prospects.  Same with Chandler.  Or trade those two so you can also ship out JR and Felton.  Tear it down.  Hopefully you can get picks for Melo and Chandler to restock the cupboard.  We'll suck but at least we'll be rid of huge contracts and when Amare and Bargs come off the books, then we can get one star who is young and hopefully build around them long term.  Knicks need to think along the lines of "how do we build a perennial playoff team" not "how do we sign one player to win us a championship."  Make us respectable and a good team year in and year out first.  Then worry about taking that next step. 

zebeto
zebeto

...there is no way woodson survives a blowout lose to the bobcats @ home tommorow

ds2488
ds2488

Surprised at how many people seem to just want to blow it all up.  I still think this team can make the playoffs and win a series at the very least (provided they're not 7 or 8 seed going against Miami or Indiana).  So I voted for firing the "coach".


It would be absolutely impossible for anyone to do a worse job than he has.  Bring on Herb Williams, I guarantee we would see an improvement short-term.  I'd be fine with H20 getting a shot as well, Allan has put in the work and it seems the league in general is getting younger and younger with coaches.  Maybe he can be good?


What I do know is I don't see this team going anywhere with this "coach".  So that's the easiest thing to fix.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Pablo on Melo (continuing with MeloStat's post) and whether he takes too many shots/isolates: "No. If, in some of the games, he may take a lot of shots it's because we, his teammates, put him in that position he's in..we think he's gonna save us. He impresses me...he's every night right there..he goes to the offensive rebounds like crazy...He always fights...gives everything he has for the team...I respect him...I just love him..i love playing with him."

JerseyFan1
JerseyFan1

KEEP - Murry, Tyler, Shump, & THJR. Get rid of Melo(ISO virus will leave) IF he stays RUN PLAYS THEN. KMart possibly.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

it would be stupid to get rid of melo. you get rid of him and then what---win a few more games in 2015 than in 2014?  NY fans want a chip. i know i do. that's part of the problem the fans that settle for mediocrity.

i want to keep my star and get him some help and a WINNING COACH in order to get a championship. FVCK all this rebuild stuff.

kneggyknik
kneggyknik

Keep thjr and shump.  Shump will get better once wudsen is gone.  Melo, hmm, might be able to get a few good pieces.  But at the same time, I'm not ready to give up on him.  The team need's a legit 2nd option.  shump is not the one, nor is barnyard. 

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

mw on SAS radio show: "...what tyson said the media took out of CONTENT" lmao! this man is truly not bright. 

kneggyknik
kneggyknik

its clear that wudsen had coach kidd on the floor last year.  The team bombed out in the playoffs because coach kidd was planning his exit.  This guy needs to take his switching and gtfo.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

Pablo Prigioni if Melo takes too many shots- "No, hes the star player..every star player take shots, Kevin Durant takes a lot of shots, I love playing with Carmelo."

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

Pablo Prigioni- "Leadership is not the problem for us right now, we have leaders and championship players on here...our execution of the game plan is the problem"

rgm891
rgm891

Stephen A Smith ripped Woodson on the radio. It was great to listen too. I am not really a fan of him but kudos to Stephen A.

Wicksell
Wicksell

Sorry squad plus terrible coach.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@zdiddy4nyk Tyler will get his chance to play, now. Melo will play 48 minutes per game!!

chudogz
chudogz

Othella Harrington, Mike Sweetney

tdzo
tdzo

Kostas Papanikolaou

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@Blaze NYKWe don't need a "whole new roster".  We are another elite player and new coach away.....anything otherwise is delusional.  We don't need the "perfect" roster. 

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@Blaze NYK Well, there's 'what SHOULD they do' and 'what WILL they do.' Knicks SHOULD trade Melo but they WILL resign him for the max.

lindro88
lindro88

He should have been gone a month ago.

mike23
mike23

@zebeto nor should he. Knicks need a new head coach but they aren't likely to find one mid season so we are probably going to have to wait until the off season for one, I guess an interim head coach would work but I wouldn't expect much improvement with this current roster. 

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@zebeto It just feels like we're living George Costanza's last days at Play Now Inc.  

mike23
mike23

@ds2488 Herb Williams, seriously, no way Herb will do anything better with this group. I'm not even sure how Herb has stuck around so long. 

kneggyknik
kneggyknik

@ds2488the coach is stubborn.  The coach will not change his way.  Get him out of here.  If jr smith doesn't change his way. cut him, let him go back to china.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Tomas Settle for mediocrity?  We all want a championship but the mindset of we gotta win a title now is what has destroyed this franchise.  we need to think long term.  Build a young team that has a high ceiling and can improve and make the playoffs every year.  Then when we get to a place where we're winning 50 plus games several years in a row and making the second round of the playoffs, then we take the next step.  Look at Indiana.  They've kept the same core in place for the last 4 years.  First they were getting into the playoffs as a low seed.  Then the second round.  Then the ECF and game 7 against the Champs.  Now they are probably the favorites to win it all.  Why?  Because they kept a great coach in place.  They kept their core.  They developed their players from within.  They made small trades and FA signings to improve specific weaknesses.  The Knicks?  We trade our young players away for aging stars in the hopes that one of them will put us over the top.  Its never worked and won't work now in the new CBA.  

rgm891
rgm891

@Tomas I like the rebuild idea but around Melo. Get rid of everyone else besides some young prospects. 

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

@Elvis Maduroif Melo leaves then you can bet we won't see another player better than him for at least 5 years.   Makes no sense for him to leave.  It's a matter of him waiting a year to get another elite player to come play with him. 

rgm891
rgm891

@Elvis Maduro I am honestly indifferent on the Melo situation whether we should totally rebuild or build around him.  I truly believe he will be a championship winner with a great coach and PG.  That's one reason why I want to keep the guy.  But totally rebuilding also has its benefits.  

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Blaze NYK @Tomas I think part of the price of doing business in NY w/ any young talent the organization develops is that they ask for ridiculous pay days. See Lin and Fields. Neither would be cost effective had the Knicks signed them during their free agency. What management needs to to regardless of whether they pursue a total rebuild plan or a re-reconstruction around Melo is determine if a player coming into the restricted FA part of his rookie contract is worth the pay day, they'll demand through feelers. If so, then pay. But offer organization favorable contracts as a starting point and set baselines for when cost outweighs benefit. And lastly keep the trade phones and wires open. Don't be so lose w/ the draft picks and set new precedent by not overpaying for rethread talent looking for a makeover. This organization has to be run more prudently. Indiana and other small market teams benefit from their location and low media eye and the less inflated markets and state sales tax. No such thing in NY City. Nope.