Recapr: Is Mike Woodson about to be fired as Knicks head coach?

SNY.tv’s Recapr takes a look at the Knicks’ struggles and looks at if Mike Woodson’s job is in jeopardy.

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sankofa
sankofa

If Hardaway Jr has to be included in any trade. I don't think we should do it. Especially if it doesn't make us title contenders.

bockers
bockers

3 team trade that  helps each team OKC,DET and Knicks


1)Detroit sends G. Monroe($5mm) and Stucky ($8mm expiring) to NY. OKC sends Reggie Jackson to NY($2mm).


2)OKC sends Perkins ($9mm)and Collison($2mm) and future #1 to Detroit


3)NY sends Chandler($14mm) to OKC.


OKC gets Chandler to play center with Durant,Westbrook

and Ibaka.


Knicks get Monroe as an inexpensive center and R.Jackson

as our point guard and Stucky expires at the end of the year.


Detroit gets Perkins ,Collison and future #1.

OLDKNICK
OLDKNICK

SERIOUS QUESTION


WHO STILL THINKS CARMELO ANTHONY WILL BE TRADED FROM THE KNICKS ????


"The Knicks, sources say, have zero intention of trading Anthony no matter what he says about next summer. Not only did owner Jim Dolan personally seal the deal to bring Anthony to New York, but the front office realizes it has one of the most talented players in the league and won't be able to get fair value in return."

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

This may be our last week with the current bunch

After All-Star Break everything can change.

either we re-build around Melo or we blow up the Team. 

Steve Mills GM Seat should be pretty warmed up by now 


saintknick
saintknick

Other rumor is Washington is desperately seeking a backup veteran PG - on link to stuff on it: http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/02/carmelo-bobcats-wizards.html 


IF this is true, Knicks should make them part of any deal to get a PG - they have quality assets on the bench and young guys galore, and would take Felton's $5 mil off the books instead of it eating cap (pun intended) in the 2015 FA term.


This is all IF the knicks are trying to get a PG. They can swap assets from Washington.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

I totally believe CAA is trying to move Melo to the Bulls. They are an agency in the business of making money and Melo in CHI w/ Rose will make them money.  It also pairs one of the biggest Air Jordan partners w/ a huge Addidas sponsor.

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

3 team trade:


Knicks get:  Rondo, Jeff Green, Emeka Okafor, Ish Smith.


Celtics get:  Amar'e Stoudemire, Ray Felton, Iman Shumpert, Washington 2014 1st round pick, New York's 2018 1st round pick.


Suns get:  Tyson Chandler, Avery Bradley.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

OT:


Question...the PG experiment didn't work well with Toney Douglas or Iman Shumpert..but should Knicks see what they have in THJR as a PG??  Obviously, he needs to polish his handle...BUT..he is 6'6 clear advantage over many PG 's in the league...he also is very fast and athletic, mike breen was heard saying he doesn't know who gets down the court in less strides than THJR.  He can shoot the ball, especially coming off pin downs which is great to have as a PG, but we haven't seen much playmaking in his hands.  I believe its due to the fact he's a rookie, the ball isn't really much in his hands...he is athletic enough to play D and keep up with fast PG's and is a hard worker...his defense has improved in this half season alone...just a thought.  I know everybody wants to trade for so and so PG, but do you think we can have a PG in THJR??  I'm not so sure either way...just putting it out there...what do ya think??

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@OLDKNICK Agreed. As I've said below, any report coming from CAA that CAA is pursuing a trade for one of their clients to pair with another CAA client amounts to CAA putting pressure on the Knicks to satisfy the demands of it's client already on the Knicks.

Sandro
Sandro

@KnickelusKnickleby

LOL relax.

Most likely, we will trade Artest for a 2nd rounder, à la Ronnie Brewer and that's it.

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@Biggie I don't think that's likely at all. Not if they're getting 2 picks and cap relief.

Sandro
Sandro

@Biggie

Remove Hardaway and throw in JR or Felton and I'm all in.

Sandro
Sandro

@orlando_knickfan  

If Dolan wasn't man enough to do what's necessary, good thing the CAA is saving him from his own decisions.

Melo leaving us in free agency would be devastating.



thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@orlando_knickfan CAA already has an alliance with the Knicks. The Knicks will not do CAA any favors in terms of making that deal. The Knicks will be prepared to offer Melo/CAA a full blown max deal. Any reports of CAA wanting Melo in Chicago is their way of putting pressure on the Knicks to trade for Rondo.

Sandro
Sandro

@thatsagoodpoint

I don't believe Boston would give away Green, Rondo and Bradley on the same package.

Any Rondo deal will involve Gerald Wallace.

But I like the idea of stealing a 1st rounder from the Suns for Chandler, in order to chase Rondo with it.

OLDKNICK
OLDKNICK

@MeloStat301  I think the reason we havent seen it is he never played the position... Not in high school, he was the wing scorer and most times shooting guard. Same exact thing in college. Not saying it cant be tried just answering the reason why we havent seen it...

Sandro
Sandro

@MeloStat301

Hardaway is a spot up, athletic shooter. He is a poor man Ray Allen, and that's something really good to be. I don't see a PG in him. He lacks the handles and court vision to do so, pretty much like Shumpert. His defense isn't good, so he wouldn't take advantage of his size.

The only good thing he has to be a PG is his shooting. And if you're nothing more than a good shooter in a guard body...you're a shotting guard.

saintknick
saintknick

@Sandro @thatsagoodpoint  All true, except I think if they trade Rondo, they'll move Green too. He's not an elite player and makes solid $$, and moving rondo means you're giving up for the next 500 days, with eyes on building a monster in 2015.

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@Sandro @thatsagoodpoint Well money is pretty equal on Green and Wallace and I've seen reports that they're not happy with Green. With the haul Ainge would be getting in terms of future picks and 2015 cap space I think he would consider it. Who knows though.

OLDKNICK
OLDKNICK

@Sandro @thatsagoodpoint  I actually like this trade but I must admit that I agree with sandy, I just cant see celtics doing that trade without wallace involved.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@OLDKNICK @MeloStat301 True...its something I think they should at least explore..maybe give him some reps in SL..kid works hard and seems to have a good bball IQ for a rook...wouldn't hurt to see what ya got there.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@Sandro @MeloStat301 I see that in him as well...but I said that to say this...the Indiana pacers were looking to draft THJR AS A BACK UP POINT GUARD.  Did they see something in him that we don't??  check it out:


The Pacers have the 23rd pick in the 2013 NBA Draft, and former Michigan guard Tim Hardaway Jr. is one player that figures to be taken in that range. There’s no doubt, the Pacers are in need of a backup point guard and a scorer. … If the Pacers take him at 23, he’s certain that he can help in both areas.


http://fansided.com/2013/06/16/nba-draft-2013-indiana-pacers-may-be-targeting-tim-hardaway-jr/#!vexZT


I think he can develop his handle, he does have court vision though..hes made a couple amazing passes here and there, but like I said him being a rookie,. it limits what he can do with the ball.



thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@Sandro @MeloStat301 Agreed. THjr is the SG of the future for the Knicks. If we're going to experiment with anyone on the roster at the PG it would have to be JR.

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@Biggie @thatsagoodpoint If they're giving up Rondo Wallace AND Green sure. But we won't include THjr so we'll have to go with Wallace. And they'd rather have Amar'e than Bargs.

Sandro
Sandro

@Biggie @Sandro

Yeah, I know. Just wishful thinking.

Anyway, I'd pull the trigger even as you put it.

Rondo and Green are no joke, close to Melo.

saintknick
saintknick

@Sandro @saintknick @thatsagoodpoint  absolutely - I'm just saying if need be they would move him - but moving wallace is an absolute must. 


They would probably move green in a different deal is all I'm saying.

Sandro
Sandro

@thatsagoodpoint @Sandro

Wallace makes more money than Green, and isn't even half as productive as him. I'm not saying that the Celtics want to keep Green. I'm just saying that they can move Green on a separate deal, as there will be takers.

Wallace, no one wants. So, they have to take advantage of Rondo's value to get rid of him.

Pretty much like us with Melo and JR.

Sandro
Sandro

@MeloStat301 @Sandro

Well... we can't predict the future. But for me, if he's excelling at the 2 spot, there's no need to try and change things. He could go Penny on us, or he could go Toney Douglas, if you know what I mean.

It's not like we have Jordan and Kobe to play the 2, so I don't see why we should use him as a PG when we need him as a SG just as bad.

saintknick
saintknick

@Sandro @MeloStat301  Hey, if it is "lets spend time developing him as a pg" I am with you. But if the season is over, why not play him with Pablo at the 1-2 and let him run point a bit. Who cares if it doesn't work - you'll get to see how he thinks and how he runs an offense. J Kidd wasn't a great PG because he was athletic or amazing at getting to the rim or hitting 3s. HE was great because he had A+ court vision, A- passing precision, and A+ game recognition. 


ThJR exhibits those traits, but he also can shoot lights out. He's not a PG - but he could be a SG who, on a Melo team, gets 6 assists a game one day. Lets see if he mans up to that style of play - just for a few sets each game.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@Sandro @MeloStat301 There are many molds to PG now-a-days...he wont be a rondo...They said the same thing about Penny hardaway....Penny learned the PG position essentially in the NBA.

Sandro
Sandro

@MeloStat301 @Sandro

He'll never be a floor general. If you turn him into a PG, you'd get a Jordan Crawford type of player.

He can be a Top 10 SG in the league someday.
He can never be a Top 10 PG in the league.

So for me, the choice is clear...

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@Sandro @thatsagoodpoint@MeloStat301 What team could CAA get involved to be the 3rd team though? No way Chicago would have anywhere close to what we'd want in return. A 3rd team would have to be involved and I don't see CAA with that kind of pull. They do however have the pull to get Dolan to act on a deal to get Rondo to NY.