Knicks exploring trade for Kyle Lowry, would ship first-round pick, Felton and Metta to Toronto

There’s a rumor bouncing around that the Toronto Raptors are trying to trade Kyle Lowry, and the Knicks are a possible destination (Beck, Wojnarowski).


5:03 p.m.: Toronto looking for two of: Iman Shumpert, Tim Hardaway Jr. or a first-round pick (Stein).

4:43 p.m.: The Knicks’ pursuit of Lowry is apparently being slowed by their refusal to surrender a first round pick. (Broussard)

4:00 p.m.: The trade is rumored to be the Knicks’ 2018 first-round pick, Raymond Felton and Metta World Peace for Lowry (Wojnarowski). If World Peace is indeed in the deal, the trade can’t happen until December 15, due to NBA rules on trading a player signed as a free agent.


Lowry, 27, is averaging 36.5 minutes per game, scoring 14.6 points, with 6.7 assists and 3.8 rebounds. Over his career, he averaged 10.8 points, 5.1 assists and 3.7 rebounds per game in 27.8 minutes.

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Here’s how I see it: Sure, I’d love to bring Lowry in. He’s a solid point guard with the ability to both score and share the ball. He’s averaged 6+ assists in 3 straight seasons and would help the Knicks right away.

What I’m not willing to do is give up Shumpert or Hardaway Jr. in a deal for him. There is too much potential in those two player to bring in a guy like Lowry, who has never been — and will never be — a superstar.

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Andy Brill
Andy Brill

For an above average point guard that can not only facilitate but also score, I liked the deal

Pete Pirone
Pete Pirone

I'm agreeing with Dolan for once. I agree Lowry would vastly improve this team and RIGHT NOW this looks stupid but.. 


Let's just say the Knicks trade Iman/THJ and that 2018 pick for Lowry. Now, Lowry helps this team and is an improvement, no doubt but....


Lets say THJ and/or Shump vastly improve and they become a hot commodity. And, come the trade deadline or even next season, Rondo or Love becomes available. But, the Celts or Timberwolves won't do the trade without a draft pick... Then what? We went and wasted the 2018 pick on Lowry when we could have gotten Rondo or Love. 


I kind of like the decision here..

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

Leave it up to Dolan to screw things up. This org will never win anything as long as him and Melo are here. Giving up a head case, a guy whose hurt every year, and Mr potential which C'mon now it's not like this guy was drafted this year. Shumpert is what he is nothing more. This was a no brainer, but as usual big nose has to stick his nose into things.

3 questions for you great fans.

Wouldn't it be nice to have David Lee instead of of the decaying STAT!

That Melo deal hmmm still can't get passed the second round shame esp in a two team eastern conference. Was it worth it.

And that garbage Center they signed soft, fragile, hurt again, and let's not forget how good he looked against IND.

Dolan is a Mess and will continually be the reason this team does not win.

rico
rico

I heard that Dolan put the kibosh on this one because he doesn't want to give up a 1st rounder….for once he see's the light. 


meanwhile I'd give Felton, JR or Metta but not Shump of THJr.

Lowry is a rental (FA next year) and he isn't good enough to get the Knicks very far. 


Meanwhile I think Murry given the chance can be the answer without Lowry.  Trade the other veterans for some 1st round picks for US!

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

In Important Knick News:


Chandler eyeing Monday return? Injured center Tyson Chandler will go through contact drills this weekend and will be re-evaluated by the Knicks' medical staff on Monday, Woodson said.

That means there is a possibility Chandler may return Monday against Washington or Wednesday against Milwaukee.

Chandler has been sidelined since Nov. 5 with a broken right leg. 

airfeet
airfeet

CAN WE STOP GIVING UP FIRST ROUND PICKS!!!

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

One Question:


Will Toure Murry get minutes now that chandler is out?  Or do we have to see Beno and Pablo out of gas splitting time at the point??

kneggyknik
kneggyknik

Too bad.  Lowry could have helped.  But it was smart to keep shump and thjr out of it.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

I'm actually more concerned mills actually wanted this deal and doLan had to kill it.

NYKnickerBocker
NYKnickerBocker

Little Jimmy is growing up, how cute.

I still think this deal will be made. Felton/MWP/Pick for Lowry.

Just hearing about the trade, MWP is gonna go bonkers and Felton will be ordering 2 hungry man breakfasts this morning with a side of flap jacks and heavy on the bacon.

Seems that Dolan was more upset about the people involved and the details leaked.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

Dolan was 1000% right to scuttle the deal for right now whatever the reason.  The "gypsy" Ujiri is once again trying to pit the NY teams against each other and he knows both owners are susceptible in doing dumbness. Dolan for one brief moment used some brain power. 

Ray and MWP are not the issues here. You cannot trade both your best young assets or one of them and future 1st in today's NBA for a mid-level, one year rental PG.  If the Nets want to be stupid enough and trade a pretty decent big man, a good shooting prospect, and a future pick, let them be dumb and do that.  I hope Lowry can guard the post when KG or Lopes is inevitably hurt.

tommy2b
tommy2b

Since any deal involving World Peace can’t be made until Sunday, there is still a chance the Knicks may reconsider, especially if Toronto and Brooklyn get close to a deal. When Ujiri was in charge of the Anthony negotiations, he was dealing with both the Knicks and Nets and got Dolan to blink first."


Don't blink Dolan.

Armand N Berdynaj
Armand N Berdynaj

This smells like those crooks CAA again.


Thank God for once Dolan showed some balls. Trading a 1st or Tim Jr/Shump for a middle of the road pg would have been a disaster,


You want a #1 pick Take JR. or we are done

zippo
zippo

play jr less no more than 20 or so minutes unless he is lighting it up and give thjr the minutes.woodson wont tho jr has to be really really bad or do multiple stupid things to take him out but other players miss 2 out 3 3pters  or turn the ball over once and they get sat down fast

Armand N Berdynaj
Armand N Berdynaj

First off Stat at the time was a dominant player. And they were trying to get LeBron.

2nd Melo was a player you have to get. And None of the players we gave up are lighting the world on fire. Gallo has been out a year.

Chandler I agree. Stupid move.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

Gypsy wanted either of thjr and shump, or one of them and a pick.

Why should we trade someone or bith that are under the age of 25 AND a future pick for a 27 year old average PG who is expiring?

IF this were Rondo, then hell yeah.

If it were me, thee gypsy would only get ONE of shump or pick to go witb ray and metta.

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

Third question is are you stupid enough to believe this is a Championship team.

johneco
johneco

-1 for the Chandler comment.

Mario Brown
Mario Brown

@MeloStat301 First you got to give Pablo and Beno a chance! Because Felton aint it! You cant say Pablo is getting gassed and you def cant say Beno is gassed! He's been sitting the bench! Gotta give them a chance especially Udrih who needs to find his rhythm and have consistent playing time to see what he's really about! Felton on the other hand, can go! He's not helping!  With Pablo and Beno on the floor the team runs better! 

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

I can live with that. What I can't live with is giving up a picK and one or both of our assets ,that's crazy

brookdon
brookdon

lol at this revisionist history. Nets started backing off because Melo swerved them, not because of the price. Please.

jimmybx
jimmybx

@tommy2b This tireless, ridiculous notion we "blinked" for Melo..lmfao. 3 POS backups for Melo...Knicks fans under the age of 30 are the dumbest animals on the planet

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Armand N Berdynaj Exactly. If the Knicks give up a 1st rounder n 2018 then Raptors should take on Felton and J.R. Smith. That's a cap hit. Felton's 4 million deal is nominal by today's NBA standards.

tommy2b
tommy2b

Finally Dolan does something smart... Whether or not it's for the right reasons.  

zippo
zippo

@OLD_KNICK well then play him less and thjr more what could happen thjr miss some shots? we lose ? this is annoying having to log in type email and pass everytime

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@OLD_KNICK  

This is my favorite part of the link;

Babysitter? Woodson also said he may ask his players to stay in a hotel the night before their next early game. They lost by 41 to Boston last Sunday in a game that started at noon. Their next noon start is Dec. 21 against Memphis.

There had been some uninformed speculation in some corners of the media that that the players were out late the night before the Boston game.

"I like to think that none of that happened that particular game when we were so flat," the coach said. "Probably the next early game we might have to do something different: Put them all in a hotel and I sit there and baby sit just to make everybody's doing what they're supposed to do." 

lindro88
lindro88

@Bo Beck I don't understand something. You are calling Dolan a mess, despite the fact that he did the opposite of what he has always done.  He said no to giving up a future first round pick and a young player in Hardaway, who every team seems to think has a much higher ceiling than Shumpert.  The Raptors reportedly do not want Shumpert.  So what is your  point other than using any story that involves Dolan as a chance to rip him despite the fact he is doing the opposite of everything he has done wrong for so many years.  

NYKnickerBocker
NYKnickerBocker

@Agee"s Catch

I understand your point, but the organization will not see it that way. If Melo wasn't here, maybe. But with Melo, the future is tradable.

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

When was the last solid first rd draft pick this team had? And don't dare say shumpert.

NYKnickerBocker
NYKnickerBocker

I believe that is what was offered. Well, technically in addition to Felton and MWP it would include either Shump or THJr or 2018 pick and Toronto preferred the pick. At least that's what the Daily News article said.

lindro88
lindro88

@jimmybx @tommy2b  Not the players Jimmy, the draft picks.  There was no reason to send two first round picks along with all of those players. BTW Chandler, and Galo are not backups.  Galo is injured,  but was playing very well last year and has developed.  Chandler is streaky but is a decent small forward.  Have you looked at any box scores over the  last several weeks?  I'll give you one, Mozgov has had two 17 rebound games in the last two weeks or so.  He's become a very solid player.  So when you say we gave up a bag of bones, its not true, when you toss in the possibility of a lottery pick, it turns into a mess.  3 years after the trade the Knicks are one of the worst teams in the league.  Thats a fact right now. I'm guessing we will get better when Chandler returns, but we have 0 chance of a championship and that is the reason we traded for Melo.  I was in favor of the deal, I won't say I wasn't but I am smart enough to admit when I am wrong.  In the end the deal did not work out.  The goal wasn't to win one playoff round.  The goal was a championship and we are light years from that.

tommy2b
tommy2b

Tell it to Isola grandpa

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@tommy2b 

If playing Felton as our starting PG for the rest of the season is smart, I don't want to know what stupid is.

We're in a heap of trouble!

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

@NYKnickerBockerI hate the mind set.  Cleared all of the cap space for one season.  If I were GM, I'd be trading off players for picks and rebuild a sustainable product.

lindro88
lindro88

@Bo Beck Hardaway looks like a nice pick for where he was picked.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@tommy2bI think Ujiri is ultimately look to take two of those assets. That's too much for the Knicks to give up.

johneco
johneco

Felton will gain at least 10 pounds over the holidays if he can't work out.

Limping and blimping.

tommy2b
tommy2b

Lol, we only wish we could play him... he's injured until January remember?
What's smart is not giving in to the Raptors wanting 2 of THjr/Shump/1st.