Shumpert for Faried rumors re-kindled?

The Knicks are trying to pick up trade talks with the Denver Nuggets again (Stein).

The deal, which was rumored earlier this season, would be Iman Shumpert for Kenneth Faried.

They would try and get the deal done before the trading deadline on Friday at 3 p.m.

Harris Decker

I flip-flopped a number of times on this trade when it was rumored earlier in the year. It’s a very tough trade to understand because these are two very, very different players.

Coming into the season, it was hard to see how Shumpert could become expendable, but the emergence of Tim Hardaway Jr. has many thinking along those lines. For the Nuggets, they are in need of a solid guard to play alongside their emerging point guard Ty Lawson. Lawson, who is having an awesome season, could be helped out by a strong shooting guard.

For the Knicks, this is an interesting move if they were to make it. Kenneth Faried is a physical big who plays almost exclusively at the 4. Over his short career (three seasons), he is averaging almost 11 points per game and adds 8.4 rebounds per game. He’s a menacing presence for any team to deal with.

The question would become how he fits with Carmelo Anthony. Anthony has shown numerous times that he is a better scorer when he’s playing power forward. Faried’s addition would mean shifting Anthony into small forward.

Given the state of things, I’m still very uneasy about this trade but it’s starting to grow on me. Shumpert has shifted potential so much in one year that I’m starting to believe he won’t reach his ceiling until he gets out of New York. Faried and Anthony could form a very strong tandem in the front court for the Knicks, playing off each others strengths.

I’m ready for a change at this point and if Steve Mills can pull this off without include a draft pick, I’m in favor of it.

541 comments
cole3244
cole3244

from some of the comments here the knicks should be able to trade a couple of their rejects for a solid if not star player but dolan isn't smart enough to take their advice.

who's more less knowledgeable about bb is probably a tossup on this one.

I'd rather go for Lowry again. i've dealt with Masai Ujiri before. he's fair despite what donnie have said.


twitter: @jimdolansucks


www.jimdolansucks.com

kneggyknik
kneggyknik

Is there anyway possible to get the great jeremy lin back on the team?  He is much better than felton and he had the garden rockin!

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

OT:


Whats wrong with Bynum??


Only Bynum never made it to the early January guarantee date for his full $12.5 million salary in 2013-14, and self-destructed. He stopped trying on the floor, and became a disruptive presence in practices. Before Bynum was thrown out of his final practice and suspended, he was shooting the ball every time he touched it in a practice scrimmage, sources said – from whatever remote part of the court he had caught the ball.

Amazing, mainly because of the level of blatant disrespect doing something like this would show to both teammates and coaches.

Can you imagine?

Inbound pass to Bynum after a made basket, and instead of giving it back to the point guard to bring it up the floor, he launches an 80-footer. That’s obviously the most ridiculous scenario, but given the fact that it caused the team to cut ties with Bynum altogether, it’s probably not that much of a stretch.


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/12/reason-for-andrew-bynum-getting-kicked-out-of-practice-and-suspended-by-cavs-revealed-and-its-hilarious/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

lindro88
lindro88

I watched most of the KIngs/Cavs game last night.  The Kings have 3 very talented players, all of whom seem only interested in personal statistics.  They are one of the worst teams I have seen this season.  Cleveland, who we all just saw, was able to dominate them.  The Knicks should beat this team by 20 points tonight.  If by some chance they lose tonight, and Woodson is not held accountable, I think he will remain the HC the remainder of the season.  This should be a blow out tonight.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

THANK GOD something else in NY to talk about; Jeter is done after next year.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

What has me worried about this potential Lowry trade is what will happen once his contract expires.


- How much money will he be looking for?

- Why aren't others interested given Lowry's great play as of late?

- Is Masai asking for too much once again (I think so)

- Will he wanna stay in NY?

- Will the Knicks, essentially, mortgage their future by giving Lowry a big multi-year deal, effectively losing any chances of landing another big name?

- If so, will Lowry be able to emulate his high level of play under Woodson (or whoever comes in his place), for many years to come?


That's a lot to consider, especially moving forward and taking into consideration the future of this team and/if Melo should stay.

knicks
knicks

Idk, possibly between your Moms butt cheeks? Maybe?

You do know the deadline isn't today right guy? Keep up

kneggyknik
kneggyknik

@Seth Nadler Translates ; We are waiting for that imbecile dolan to throw whatever we want at us.

ds2488
ds2488

@Seth Nadler  It's a tough position for them I'd guess.  They expected this to be an "easy" call on account of them not even thinking they would be competitive this year.  Now Lowry is playing out of his mind and Toronto is right in the thick of things.


Maybe it's true and they're not just holding out for a draft pick?  Guy has played at an all-star level for them and they gotta be thinking about keeping him there long-term and getting some better talent around him.

rgm891
rgm891

@Seth Nadler  Which means no team wanted to give Toronto a first rounder.  

rgm891
rgm891

@Jerry Gee @kneggyknik  I am just as sick with jeremy lin as I am with felton/woodson.  I barely even seen him play one game this season.  Jeremy Lin talk has to stop.  If you think that kid was worth that contract I don't know what to say.  15 million in the third year wow.  

rgm891
rgm891

@lindro88 They have Isaiah Thomas.  That's enough for u to know he will drop 30 on us. From one Thomas to another.  Destroying the Knicks

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@lindro88 "blow out"....its the NBA chief...no gimmies....the knicks SHOULD win...but to say "should be a blow out" is a but much, its the NBA....come on man.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@lindro88  We are among the worst teams of the league right now.

The Knicks (and its fans) are in no position to say, "we should blow right by them", or "easy game". Hell, we're not even in a position to say "trap game" because those are for winning teams,w hich we're so very far from.

Woodson should've been held accountable (aka fired) a month ago, perhaps even more. If done back then things could be different today.

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@lindro88 This game has no bearing whatsoever as to whether or not Woodson will be allowed to finish the year or not. That decision has already been made and he will be given the year.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Jerry Gee  I don't care...I just wanna make the postseason. No matter how or what.

Pay teams under the table....whatever.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@Jerry Gee There is only 31 games left...what are you talking about??  Stop rambling.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

Maybe I'm too close to it because I have some Villanova contacts and following him closely while he was (briefly) there, but there have always been questions about Lowry's attitude and how much of a team/all-about-winning guy he truly is. That was a while ago, but I sense that reputation has followed him to the next level.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@VerySilentJay

Lowry's production has been up, in part, to increased minutes (36.3 to a career 28.3), more shots with the departure of Rudy Happy (can't say his last name on TKB), and playing for a team with a top 10 offense and defense. He hasn't really upped his game in as much as he is getting more opportunities. He has always been a good player. 

It all depends what he wants and what Uriji wants.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@rgm891 @Jerry Gee @kneggyknik  here's the thing though.  Bargnani makes the same amount of money as Lin, so its BS that we didn't resign him because of the poison pill.  And if we had actually offered him a reasonable contract first instead of telling him to go get the best offer he could, we might have been able to get him for less.  We were willing to do the first offer.  It was the third year poison pill (which is the same as Bargnani) that we balked at.  The Knicks talked about having to save money/cap space yet we gave up draft picks and players for Camby and then a first round pick to get Bargnani, who makes the same as Lin.  Lin is not elite but he's a great 6th man off the bench and better than any PG we have.  

ds2488
ds2488

@Biggie @Jerry Gee  He still has a lot to do with the Knicks imo.


Don't get me wrong I hate still talking about him, but with the Knicks struggles (especially at the PG position where Lin would be a HUGE HUGE improvement), I think it's fair to still bring him up.

onewhoknix
onewhoknix

@Jerry Gee @lindro88 And if you didn't see Milwaukee, did you see the Philly game? lol This is our 5th game of the season that has been labeled a "must-win." I feel like each time it has been that situation we have lost this season lol

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Brostoevsky  Actually I remember that during his days in Houston, alongside some fitness and dietary issues.

Maybe he's turned the corner (he's definitely playing that way), who knows?

I'm more worried about his present contract status than anything else.

bockers
bockers

@Knicks_Fanatic Correct ! If we give Lowry 10-12mm extension it would make it hard to build a TEAM. We need a Reggie Jackson and a Greg Monroe for 2 positions total $12mm per extension.Add K.Love in 2015 to Melo,Monroe,Jackson,THJR  and 2015 #1 pick

and you have a TEAM.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic  Thing is, will he play the way we've seen under Woodson?

You can be a great player, but at the end of the day you execute what your coach asks you to.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

I don't think the Bargnani trade is relevant. That was a year later, and the Knicks got rid of two bad contracts which weren't in place at the time they made a decision by Lin... I liked Lin, too, but he isn't worth anything close to the coin he'll make in that final year...

I don't want a 'combo' guard/sixth man type. We need a real PG who is a floor general, makes people better and defends the position. The Knicks roster strategy needs to focus on that

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

@verysilentjay Exactly. Guys that fit that profile sometimes have an uncanny ability to give max efforts around contract time and then dramatically regress once the ink has dried.