Will the Knicks choose to hold onto Jeremy Tyler?

Keith Schlosser, Lead Writer

By waiving veteran Shannon Brown last month, the Knicks freed up their fifteenth and final roster spot, likely opening the door for the official signing of second-rounder Cleanthony Early.

After acquiring a handful of valuable young assets from the Mavericks earlier in the offseason, it makes sense that New York desires to see a return on such an investment. As the thirty-fourth overall selection in this year’s NBA Draft, there’s no doubt Early stands to make an impact relatively soon. As Phil Jackson optimistically looks ahead, the future for his team is now.

Jeremy Tyler D-LeagueOf course, if and when they do sign the Witchita State product to a contract, the Knicks will once again employ the maximum fifteen players. The team now has the flexibility to sign Early, but what if Jackson and co. want more?

With a plethora of guards already on the roster, Brown proved to be the odd man out. His mediocre showing at NBA Summer League likely didn’t do much to help his cause, either. But what’s more, he was one of two Knickerbockers with a non-guaranteed contract for this upcoming season. This certainly added to the likelihood of his impending release.

Who’s the other player with a non-guaranteed contract? That would be known other than big man Jeremy Tyler, whose own respective showing at NBA Summer League garnered more praise than Brown’s, to say the least. Between the two, keeping Tyler is a smart move. He’s young, has shown a bit of promise already, and as a defensive-minded big, is able to provide New York with something they’ve lacked consistently in the past.

Alas, for now, Tyler is safe. He edged out Brown, but how much longer will such comfort last?

As reported by TKB last month, the Knicks have until mid-September to ultimately decide whether or not they’d like to hold onto Tyler and his potential $948,000 contract. At this reasonably cheaper rate, there’s little risk to keeping Tyler around. It’s just a matter of whether or not Jackson and co. foresee better options coming along.

Tyler proved to be a capable big man in the triangle offense in Las Vegas by looking to open things up for his teammates and expanding his court-vision. But nevertheless, he isn’t one of Jackson’s guys. Instead, the 23 year old is the easiest to cut, should New York’s otherwise full roster stand in the way of the thirteen-time NBA champion bringing another familiar player aboard. Tyler may simply not be to his liking.

There’s plenty to like about Tyler, however, and so much still to be seen. The potential is there. Still, as he heads into his fourth NBA season, it’s safe to say youngster hasn’t exactly hit his stride. There’s still plenty of time for him to find a rhythm, but the Knicks simply may not want to wait much longer if it means they miss out on someone else worth taking a chance on. For what’s it’s worth, the team was reportedly rebuffed by Summer League participant Cameron Moore, who opted to sign overseas after receiving just a camp invite from New York. 

At this point in the offseason, one has to wonder, who, if anyone at all worthwhile, is still available. Would such a player be considered a better option than Tyler at this point? Would Jackson prefer to sign Thanasis Antetokounmpo, his own draft selection, instead?

It may be beneficial to hold on to Tyler initially, then trade/waive him later down the road, should something come up. The Knicks don’t have much to lose. Nevertheless, his contract still makes him the most vulnerable.




138 comments
brookdon
brookdon

Owners will probably pull for players losing their bird rights when they are traded as a concession to giving players a higher BRI. Force players that demand trades to either sign for an extension within a week of the trade or take less money when they reach free agency.

brookdon
brookdon

@WojYahooNBA: San Antonio's Tony Parker has agreed to a three-year extension that could be worth as much as $45M, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

So if Love isn't willing to sign an extension in Cleveland, do the Cavs still throw in Wiggins? That would be a huge gamble that Cavs probably wouldn't make. However, I think Phil might be willing to roll the dice and then convince Love after the season, and if Love was to leave, Knicks would still have their 2015 cap space. For Minny, you get a huge expiring in Amare, 2 young players in THJR and Shump, and Knicks probably take on contracts of Martin and Barrea.

brookdon
brookdon

@WojYahooNBA: Tony Parker has signed a contract extension with the Spurs, team says.

knick4life
knick4life

IMO Melo, Monroe and Dalembert does not work because Melo is an isolation player who, while he def. has range on his jump shot, is more effective at 15 to 20 feet with a clear out.  The triangle worked with Kobe and MJ being the main pieces because they were playing the 2 and the 3 (Pippen, Fox, Ariza, etc.) in the offense spread the floor effectively and played off the ball. The pairing you all are suggesting seems  awkward to me.


It's all a moot point anyway.  There is no chance the Knicks get Monroe anyway.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

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brookdon
brookdon

We can put Prigioni on Pierce again to shut him down.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@dylan 

I wonder how many years we signed Cleanthony. Bird and Morey signed Lance and Parsons to 4 year deals. If Phil feels he is a first round talent, we should lock him up for awhile.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@brookdon 

Two things that need to change. The first is that teams can't offer as much in an extension as they can when a player opts out. So Melo and now Love apparently opt out to get the 5th year. The other is the loophole where RFA can sign offer sheets that can be matched, but it doesn't count against the current teams cap.

If the NBA was smart, they would just set a hard cap. Only 4 teams paid luxury tax last season. Make it $20-25 million over the soft cap. That way teams won't have to employ capologists and make deals using trade exceptions and all that.

brookdon
brookdon

Lowers Bledsoe's market value this year and Dragic's next year.

brookdon
brookdon

I wouldn't give up wiggins in the first place but no way Love would leave Cleveland. They'd be the best team in the East.

knick4life
knick4life

@Seth Nadler  That could potentially be a disaster.  Especially since the rumor is that Love wants to be in LA. Knicks would be left with nothing if he walks.

Mets0987
Mets0987

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Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@knick4life 

Just as a speculative point, you don't pass up a player like Monroe, who can be part of the future, for a stopgap like Dalembert. If we could (and we can't) get Monroe, I wouldn't pass on him because of a journeyman center.

bblessed
bblessed

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C0P0
C0P0

@SheSaidSpikeWho Happy Born Day To You!

greekfreak
greekfreak

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johneco
johneco

@brookdon  I'm almost sad that we don't still have Felton to shut him down lol

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@brookdon 

Maybe not. Parker played for $12.5 million and probably just took the 7% raises over 3 years. He had no desire to test the market next year. 

All it takes is two teams bidding for a player to drive up a salary.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

It is a huge gamble, but would be an even bigger gamble for Cavs if they give up Wiggins, but I think Phil is pretty confident he'd get him to sign for max money

sir_manolo
sir_manolo

@Knicks_Fanatic @knick4life Monroe isn't a good fit in the triangle... Knicks need a center that can rebound and has great passing ability... Thus the reason why Pau Gasol was a perfect fit and now his brother will be a perfect fit next season!!! 

knick4life
knick4life

@Knicks_Fanatic @knick4life  If it was possible to get Monroe, which I don't think it is, I would say do it and play him at Center. Dalembert would likely have to be waived and Amare traded to make financial room for Monroe anyway. 


Monroe is a big talent but he disappears and obviously his teams have never done anything.  I would be careful giving him a big long term contract.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

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Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieTKB 

It would just be easier if teams had three things to worry about.

Minimum Salary Figure

Tax Line

Hard Cap

The players are going to get whatever their share of BRI is for the season. Why complicate the process of competing to such an extent?

brookdon
brookdon

Monroe does both of those things well though.

bblessed
bblessed

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greekfreak
greekfreak

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Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieTKB @dylan 

Yep, can only be a two year deal.

50. What about second round draft picks? What rules do they operate under?

Unlike first round picks, who have a scale salary (see question number 49), second round picks do not have any specific salary restrictions. They may sign for any amount from the minimum to the maximum, but players who last to the second round of the draft seldom command more than the minimum salary.

Also unlike first round picks, teams do not receive a salary cap exception specifically for their second round picks. These players must be signed using cap room or an available exception (see question number 25), such as the Minimum Salary exception or the Mid-Level exception. It is most common for a second round pick to receive the minimum salary and be signed using the Minimum Salary exception. However, since the Minimum Salary exception limits contracts to two seasons, it is not uncommon for teams to use a portion of their Mid-Level exception in order to sign the player for three seasons. This gives the team full Bird rights at the end of the contract, and avoids the Gilbert Arenas provision (see question number 45). 

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@brookdon People just make comments without watching guys play. Amazing. You say you want a C who can rebound, yet mention someone who is much older and averages 7 rpg. We also have no idea how Gasol's body will hold up. 

Btw, Monroe can play the 4. I don't get the he can't play with Dalembert stuff. 

dylan
dylan

Interesting, had no idea. Would it be possible to sign him to a 2-year deal with a team option, and renegotiate a new contract with him next off-season when we have our exceptions?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieTKB @Knicks_Fanatic 

That could work. It's just that the only tax paying teams last season were NYK, Nets, Heat, Lakers, and Clippers. All the machinations over the last CBA to prevent teams from going over the cap only apply to a few. The Clippers owed $1.3 million, so they barely count. Besides it's just a payoff for the small markets anyway.