Would Knicks welcome back Kenyon Martin?

Keith Schlosser, Lead Writer

With the 2014-15 season set to be a transitional year for the Knicks as they wait for cap relief to come the next summer, one might have wondered if the team’s roster would truly look much different this coming season.

But as fate would have it, Phil Jackson and co. have slowly but surely transformed the team’s roster. Changes were made little by little, and New York figures to have a different look and a fresh mentality in the coming months.

Kenyon Martin, Jonas Valanciu, Linas KleizaTwo of the remaining stragglers from last season, Shannon Brown (Miami Heat) and Toure Murry (Utah Jazz), both signed with different teams this week. Most of the team’s departed players are now spoken for.

That said, Kenyon Martin still remains a free agent. Having provided the Knicks with one of the most intimidating and physical defensive presences they’ve had in years, there’s no doubt the veteran forward made a positive contribution over the past two seasons. The only problem was, he didn’t exactly make enough of it.

Martin’s appeared in just 50 games in two seasons with New York. He’s battled injuries in each year. Despite joining the Knicks towards the end of the 2012-13 season, the forward was forced to sit out a handful of contests. This past season, his last appearance came on February 1st, but he even missed fifteen games before that as well.

As the Knicks filled out their roster this offseason, they passed on offering Martin another contract. Still unsigned in late August, it’s no surprise that his inability to stay healthy over the course of a full season has reportedly scared other teams away, too.

Despite all of this, perhaps the forward will return to don orange and blue one more time. If a player cannot keep himself on the court for (at least) the majority of the season, it’s not worth granting him a contract at the beginning of the season. After getting burned by the likes of Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby in the past, New York may have learned its lesson by now.

Martin is a terrific locker room guy who, when actually hitting the hardwood, provides the Knicks with something they don’t get from just anybody. Having not appeared in 60 games in any of the last four seasons, signing the vet to a training camp contract with hopes of him impressing early on probably isn’t the way to go.

However, by employing the likes of Amar’e Stoudemire, Andrea Bargnanu, and Samuel Dalembert on their frontline, there’s a good chance the Knicks could be in need of an extra big man, should these aforementioned players fall victims to injuries midseason. Perhaps if he’s still available by then, the team could give Martin a call.

 




304 comments
NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

As much as I like Rondo, he is not a fit for the Triangle. On top of that no way does Ainge trade him to us. Boston hates the Knicks probably more than they hate any team, Lakers included. If Phil does not see a need for Rondo, I don't either. I'd rather give 15 - 20M to a big that actually fits the system. One who can rebound, score in the post and pass. Enough with adding parts that don't fit. 

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

Ok Gentlemen and Few Ladies ...I agree to disagree with if we really need Rondo to be able to shoot 

he does provide high assist and rebound numbers and i would welcome him but i wouldn't run and try to pry him from Ainge just yet , after they rejected us and downplayed us time and time again 

i would 1st see his impact going into All-Star break and then see how desperate Boston get's if they feel they won't resign him. 

i think we'll be just fine seeing it all play out and seeing if our PG dept is faulty come All-Star Break 

last few year's Knicks would've went all-in for Rondo but i think Phil's Knicks will have more patience and less desperation.

Iobcity1
Iobcity1

Another thing, I think people are making too much of deal about Rondo shooting. He does everything else so well. Boston won a championship already with him. Rondo can break any defense apart and is highly intelligent.

I agree with Biggie though, I want to see him in action more to see his progress after the acl injury. We haven't seen enough to judge wether he is the same Rondo or not.

Iobcity1
Iobcity1

So Rondo wants to get traded. I think the knicks have a good shot trading for him. Houston gave up all their trade chips. Where esle would Rondo go?

He may want Miami. Thats the only team I see that can make moves to get him. Boston might dance with Knicks to trade him to NY.

TkBK1ng
TkBK1ng

pretty telling that LeBron wasn't at wades wedding ....

brookdon
brookdon

"I rejected the idea on relying only on a point guard, who must make all ball handling decisions: I think, ultimately, that a good opponent would pressure and destroy a point-guard oriented team."

Tex Winter.

johneco
johneco

Look.  I love Rondo.  He plays huge when the games count. 

And Calderon is fool's gold.  I like his shooting and heady PG play, but his D is just not going to cut it, and he's not going to get any better at his age KnicksGirl.  We'll all be bashing him before the year is through.

BUT... Rondo is not coming here.  He just doesn't fit the system.  Everyone is talking about this from our perspective - how we should maybe just take a chance since he's a great player, and maybe he will manage to fit. But he's got full control of his situation - what's HIS perspective?  Why would he go somewhere that he might not fit?  That doesn't play the style that HE likes?  

Josh Gabriel
Josh Gabriel

Rondo has a lot of power here. He wants to be traded, but he won't be traded to a team he doesn't want because he will just walk, unless someone is willing to convince him to sign. With that being said, I think he has his eye on a team he wants to go to. Maybe it's the Knicks? Maybe not. Boston may not like the assets the Knicks may have to offer, but if Rondo approves of a trade to the Knicks, the Celtics may not have a choice, similar to what happened when Carmelo was traded to the Knicks.

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

Ok scenario, Game 7 of playoff series and it's 3-3 we have Rondo bringing up the rock with 20 seconds left in the game 

and we're down 3 ...Perimeter is locked off and the ball goes in to Melo but he's doubled and they left Rondo open for a corner 3 while JR Smith and THJR can't shake their defenders 

Rondo gets the ball and the balls goes up


if Rondo hits the shot he's a Knick Legend - If he misses it he's a Knick Issue all summer no matter how good he was all season it comes to his weakness that cost us a series

so if he's not a clutch shooter in the Triangle which base is that the PG has to have a high shooting % makes no sense trading good pieces that work for him


we'll be on here bashing his shooting ability in no time...

i think Rondo would be great if we didn't have the Triangle System in place 


This System will be focused on Melo with constant motion and shooters 


now for any reason we can get rid of Bargnani and Stat for Rondo i'd do the Trade but i don't trust his shot 




Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

"Though he is not looking to get out of Boston, Rajon Rondo was quick to kill talk of an extension when recently approached by Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge," ESPN Insider's Chris Broussard noted in January (subscription required). "It didn't even get to the numbers stage. Rondo is looking forward to becoming an unrestricted free agent for the first time in his career in the summer of 2015."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2182403-boston-celtics-trading-rajon-rondo-might-be-harder-than-you-think

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

I'm not saying Knicks get Rondo, but with the amount of teams that play 2 PG's it's not impossible for Rondo and Calderon to play together

TkBK1ng
TkBK1ng

I say we get rondo. if he doesn't work out or doesn't want to get better at shooting then we can dangle him in a trade for another pg he will have more value then calderon. say cp3 wants out of clipper nation or the thunder think Durant and westbrook cant coexist at least we have someone that they would take

Mel Brizzy
Mel Brizzy

if being a pg in the triangle is all about hitting the three then we should not be looking to bring in any pg over the next two years.....  that's a frightening thought.  that means that Calderon is the end all be all. 


As long we get very good shooting from the guard position in that system all is good.  


I'd take a player like Rondo over Calderon everyday, all day in any system.  



NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@knickfan2 There's no way the Knicks get both players. Also, having 3 players take up the majority of your cap space is not the greatest idea. Kills flexibility. 

TkBK1ng
TkBK1ng

@Iobcity1  I rather get him while his value is low then him coming back as a top 5 pg and his value sky rockets

Iobcity1
Iobcity1

I think Melo will respect Phil decision bc Phil is good at getting his points across and getting people to see the bigger picture. Phil always has goals and plans everything out to achieve his goals. If he does not envision Rondo being apart of it then I'm sure Melo trust Phils decision. Its hard to go against Phil.

brookdon
brookdon

Indy for Hibbert. Maybe LA after Kobe throw a hissy fit.

brookdon
brookdon

I wouldn't look too far into it. Probably had something scheduled for a while that couldn't be changed. Or got jealous because he couldn't get Gabrielle Union first lol

brookdon
brookdon

"Q: My team has Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Deron Williams, [insert other high APG/PnR usage point guard], etc. Is the triangle right for my team?

A: The triangle is right for any team, if you ask me. But be ready to see that fancy 10-11 assists per game drop to the 5-6 APG level or below, because the triangle is an offense that does not feature one player running it. All five players facilitate to each other, and all five players must be on the same page in terms of spacing and reacting to how the defense plays them.

The question you have to ask is, does my team gain or lose by underutilizing my point guard's passing abilities? With a Derek Fisher or a Steve Kerr as your point guard, the answer is easy. If you have Chris Paul or Steve Nash on your team, things become a little bit less clear."

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1dxsbg/faq_about_the_triangle_offense_phil_jacksons_next/

http://www.basketballmanitoba.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/E3709_NBA_90-92.pdf

TkBK1ng
TkBK1ng

@solar_lion  so we are trading our best pg and best defender for a late first round pick or reggie Jackson? we are making thunder better while we get worst ill pass.

TkBK1ng
TkBK1ng

@johneco  so where can he go? what team needs a pg?


dallas? maybe he can go there

Miami? he blatantly said he would never play for Miami

pistons? a system where he has to be a good three point shooter when they give it to Drummond

kings? already turned them down and said he wouldn't resign with them

knicks? maybe because he wants to play with melo

pacers? doubt he wants to go play with a team while George recovers from injury

greekfreak
greekfreak

Well said. He seems strange enough, that if tested, will go to free agency so he can choose which team he plays for next... I agree that I would like to see him at 100% before anything, he's gonna want big bucks

greekfreak
greekfreak

@KnickelusKnickleby. Plenty of players have learned how to shoot. You can't teach speed and great defense, which he already has!

Mel Brizzy
Mel Brizzy

@KnickelusKnickleby I trust his ability to get to the rim, find open shooters, find cutters, cause turnovers, defend his man, and make smart decisions.   


ppl are myopic in thinking that the triangle is ONLY about shooting the basketball.  Stop it.

DourSiesel
DourSiesel

@KnickelusKnickleby  IMO if rondo wont work in the triangle why not sign him as a free agent and trade him to a team for players that will?

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@solar_lion @NoVaCaInE The Knicks will already have enough cap space next year to improve the team. JR also will most likely opt out of his 6M deal, creating more space. I don't think the Knicks need to have a Big 3. Just talented parts that fit. As far as the trade goes, it helps OKC next year but weakens the Knicks. Calderón may not be the greatest PG, but he's a steady one who can provide consistent outside shooting. That's something we will need. I have no desire to watch a Pablo Larkin combo at PG next year. Also, a late 1st for Calderón and Shump isn't enough. Unless, we can upgrade at PF/C, I would much rather stand pat.

johneco
johneco

@knickfan2  Don't you think Rondo looked a step slow when he came back last year?  Especially on D?

Iobcity1
Iobcity1

Two viable options although NY is still the most attractive.

Iobcity1
Iobcity1

Knickfan2

That was when Bron was there.

TkBK1ng
TkBK1ng

@brookdon  lol come on if they like brothers bron should have been there he went to ilgauskas retirement ceremony with no problem. btw melo was there so idk how bron couldn't be

Iobcity1
Iobcity1

Brookdon.

Idk man. People get their wedding invite a year or two in advance to give people the opportunity to plan ahead. And its a wedding. You can't just skip your a close friend wedding.

brookdon
brookdon

George will be back next year. I could see him waiting for PG.

LA will go hard after him as well. Houston will too though it'd be hard to put together a proper package.

Rondo wants to pound the ball and control the offense. Phil isn't about that

TkBK1ng
TkBK1ng

@solar_lion @Josh Gabriel  this is totally different tho .... melo didn't want to go into a lock out season with out a contract and was pushing them to make the deal ... rondo can play it out and we will have the cap to sign him.

johneco
johneco

@DourSiesel @KnickelusKnickleby  Sorry, but that's just silly.

So he's an UFA, courted by all the top teams with space, and we manage to convince him to come here with a pitch that's a total lie?  Or what?

First of all he won't come to a team that plays a system that's not to his liking.

And if we manage to get him here by being dishonest, our FO is blacklisted by every agent in the league.  It's just not how things work. 

Ace Bouchard
Ace Bouchard

@BiggieTKB Knicks aren't getting Rondo. There are just too many teams that could offer better deals than what the Knicks have to offer. But then again, I don't think the Knicks really want/need Rondo, because next year they are going to need to spend their cap space on a front court player or players, and that would be a lot harder with Rondo on the books. 

Iobcity1
Iobcity1

Lmao.. These writers are fakers! Love how you just exposed them.

Mel Brizzy
Mel Brizzy

@solar_lion @knicksgirl35 @Mel Brizzy I agree about his health.  So, all that i state in regards to Rondo is contingent upon him being healthy. 


Second, Rondo's lack of shooting has never stopped him from dominating games, winning a championship, and becoming an all-star type player.  


the system requires players to think, and make plays when the system breaks down.  Basketball is a game that is fluid, instinctive, and psychological from a mental perspective.  The system will provide a foundation to operate from.  Instincts, and good decision making are what makes a system thrive. 


Everyone wants the all around perfect player.  Rondo has his flaws and is still better than most...especially Calderon.  


Great players will always fit into a system.  Good coaches know how to implement great talent into their system.  


You need talent to win in the nba.  Rondo, when healthy, is a superior talent.  Period.

greekfreak
greekfreak

@Mel. Also good ball distributor.. Weak on D tho

johneco
johneco

@knickfan2  You're probably right.  But I think it makes sense to wait and see.

brookdon
brookdon

Not to mention other teams are out there....they push the price up more than Bargnani and the rest of our trash

Mel Brizzy
Mel Brizzy

@BiggieTKB @Mel Brizzy I'm gonna go get a third team involved.   You can keep Gerald Wallace.  We will take jeff Green.  


we will get you A first rounder from another team.  


or we will wait it out and you can have a disgruntled Rondo on your hands.  


stay off the whiskey...

TkBK1ng
TkBK1ng

@BiggieTKB  they offered that already didn't they and rondo didn't want to play in detroit

chitwood
chitwood

@knicksgirl...Calderons defense isnt going to improve just because you wish it

johneco
johneco

@knickfan2  Plus he's a great penetrator, which the triangle can use, and he's a good shooter near the basket (think how Parker works in the Spurs system).  Like I've said before, I'm more worried about how Rondo sees himself fitting; from our perspective we could always trade him if he doesn't work out.

Mel Brizzy
Mel Brizzy

@BiggieTKB @TkBK1ng call phx with their glut of pg's and we will take our chances on seeing if rondo signs with them long term....


from what i know....err... i mean what i believe, he won't

greekfreak
greekfreak

@BiggieTKB. Zen would say: I'm pretty sure he would prefer to play with his boy, Melo, over his AAU pal, J Smoove...

Mel Brizzy
Mel Brizzy

@BiggieTKB Zen has taught me that patience is virtue.   I like our chances of landing rondo. with or without your help.